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    Matthew Green UK is offline Senior Member
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    Default All-Meat Diet Experiment

    As of 1st September till 24th December, I will be attempting to exist entirely on a diet of traditionally-raised animal products (lived outdoors, ate natural diet) including organ meats and raw dairy. I will have a small amount of berries and some herbs and spices for flavour but thats all. I will allow myself one 'cheat-meal' a week to allow for social situations but hopefully I can have no more than 6 or 7 of these meals in the time period.

    I am doing this simply to see if I can thrive on it, I have done this periodically before and loved it and I have always suspected that its healthy and vitalising. I will be doing various tracking methods and will report here if anyones interested!

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    I'm not a nutritionist, nor do I claim to be one. However, I can only imagine how much you're going to be stressing on the toilet if you don't add more fiber to this diet. If you stress a lot on the toilet, you're at a higher risk for hemorrhoids. Also, the less fiber you have, the longer your waste is in your GI tract, increasing your exposure time to possible carcinogens in your own waste. Just something to think about as you undertake this diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ideal Paradigm View Post
    I'm not a nutritionist, nor do I claim to be one. However, I can only imagine how much you're going to be stressing on the toilet if you don't add more fiber to this diet. If you stress a lot on the toilet, you're at a higher risk for hemorrhoids. Also, the less fiber you have, the longer your waste is in your GI tract, increasing your exposure time to possible carcinogens in your own waste. Just something to think about as you undertake this diet.
    Not true at all. I did an all meat (and eggs) diet for a couple weeks and it is really the opposite. When you are on all meat you will have very little waste matter. Toilet paper is rarely necessary (though I used it to see if I needed to use more!), and becomes something you keep about for guests in your house.

    When I have too much fiber is when I am "stressing on the toilet". At one point in time I was eating mountains of vegetables, both raw and cooked. It didn't take long to figure out I needed to cut back on them.

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    Ideal Paradigm is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Rock View Post
    Not true at all. I did an all meat (and eggs) diet for a couple weeks and it is really the opposite. When you are on all meat you will have very little waste matter. Toilet paper is rarely necessary (though I used it to see if I needed to use more!), and becomes something you keep about for guests in your house.

    When I have too much fiber is when I am "stressing on the toilet". At one point in time I was eating mountains of vegetables, both raw and cooked. It didn't take long to figure out I needed to cut back on them.
    What you experience goes against the conventional nutritional knowledge and studies.

    To make one thing clear, the operational definition of constipation is if you're stressing at all when defecating and if you have infrequent bowel movements.

    This study talks about how there is a negative correlation with fiber vs. constipation (higher fiber will result in lower constipation, and vice versa)

    Diet and Chronic Constipation in Children: The Role of Fiber : Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition

    This study explains that the majority of those who do NOT have a GI tract problem will generally relieve their constipation problems with a higher fiber diet. It was found that high fiber therapy did not work for people with pathological GI tract problems. However, I would say that if you have some GI tract issues, high fiber is not what you should be worried about anyways.

    Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

    This study shows that laxatives and fiber helps to relieve constipation, although there is no significant measurement of which out of the two are better:

    SpringerLink - Journal Article

    This study shows the fiber is beneficial for relieving constipation:

    Fiber (Glucomannan) Is Beneficial in the Treatment of Childhood Constipation -- Loening-Baucke et al. 113 (3): e259 -- Pediatrics

    This study examines how increasing fiber by 15% in bran fed to the elderly at a Geriatric center aided in constipation relief:

    Alleviation of constipation in the elderly by diet...[J Am Geriatr Soc. 1980] - PubMed Result

    All I'm saying is that that majority of the population will become constipated on a low fiber diet. Many people tend to think that they aren't part of this statistic, but the fact of the matter is, if people could rely on their anecdotes; scientific studies would not be necessary. I know that I fall into this statistic, because higher fiber in my diet prevents constipation for me.

    If it works for you, power to you, but I just recommend against it.

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    I've done this and had no bowel problems at all with zero fiber intake. Very smooth movements with no constipation just like D-Rock experienced. The key is that there must be enough fat in the diet. One of the main failures with low carb diets is too much protein and not enough fat. Fat should be a majority of you calories while doing this.
    Search for some of the Greg Ellis posts here, he discusses this extensively.

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    i agree, has anyone done the palumbo diet,
    6 omega eggs plus 4 whites
    protein drink with cashew nuts
    chicken breast green salad with mac nut oil
    protein with nuts
    steak asparagus
    + any one of the above for final meal

    i experienced good bowel movements hardy any paper required
    plus you can drop bodyfat like nobodies business.
    high protein moderate healthy fats and low carbs.

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    I would be keenly interested if someone in the United States would parallel this experiment using standard, store-bought, industrial meat, so we could see not only the benefits of meat-only diets but also natural meat vs. "enhanced" meat.

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    Just eat plenty of fat and stay hydrated. I'm sure you're aware, but unless you already eat low carb, just ease into it (like two months or so) to avoid ALL of the symptoms of going ketogenic. I would personally suggest eating as much as you can from grass grass-fed sources. In addition to meat I have only eaten leafy greens and berries (for nutrients), as far as carbs are concerned, and some dairy, for the last year and a half and have never felt better. All of my bloodwork dropped into the ideal ranges or very close to it. I haven't ever tried all meat but continually lower my carbs and just feel better all of the time. I'm very interested to hear your results.

    www.grasslandbeef.com has great grass-fed sirloin for relatively inexpensive prices if you buy the 12lb bundles and grass fed lard to cook it in. They have lots of other great stuff as well.

    Please keep us posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semonides View Post
    I would be keenly interested if someone in the United States would parallel this experiment using standard, store-bought, industrial meat, so we could see not only the benefits of meat-only diets but also natural meat vs. "enhanced" meat.
    I will start on monday. I am interested also.. Because of my schedule, and other factors, I will do hot dogs (no bun), cafeteria burgers (no bun) or other condiments, except mustard and Louisina hot sauce. Even deli meats. All of the crap as well as the industrial steaks, etc. Farm raised salmon will also be there and of course, eggs. I am in the US, and really have no choice.

    Also, sea salt of different varieties will be used also. I will skip pepper of all kinds and spices like garlic. I will say goodbye to my beloved tomato...

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    IP, one of the reasons I am doing this is because my digestion is MUCH better when I have little or no fiber in my diet. In fact, the only times in my life that I haven't had severe bloating and abdominal pain all day long is when Ive gone all-meat. I have heard that most fecal matter is dead micro-organisms although I dont know how accurate that is.

    You say it goes against conventional nutrition advice- well brilliant. The same conventional advice that recommends 6-11 portions of grains a day (laughable) and has guided the western world towards obesity and early graves. Would you trade your RKC principles for 3 sets of 10 on machines (because theyre safer!) followed by static stretching and 30 mins of 'fat-burning' cardio? Hell no, conventional advice is bullshit in the fitness realm as well.

    Semonides, I agree. About 2 years ago I did a very low-carb diet (under 30g a day) for about 3 months but ate really bad meat because I was broke. I lost weight and felt better but unfortunately I didnt track my cardiac markers or anything. I do think its easy for meat-haters to make meat look bad but only because the majority of meat eaten in the world is crap. Study people who only eat traditionally raised animal products and dont eat refined carbs, vegetable oil and additives and you have a different story.

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