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    comtemporayjkd wrote:
    "Hello everyone I Personally did the HCG protocol after I read the weight loss cure from Kevin Trudeau. I started out at 178lbs. I did it for 25 days and lost 23.lbs. that was almost a year and a half ago. To this day I only weigh 158lbs. your only comsuming 500 calories a day but your body is using between 2500-3000 calories from your fat the hcg makes this happen not you starving! and after the first 4-5 days you virtually feel no hunger and sleep incredible.Also I did no exercise on purpose just to prove to myself it would work and overall Im pleased with the results and to me there aint no other diet out there that can deliver these types of results in less than one month! if you have any ?'s please feel free to ask me"

    wow, really? thats good to hear. The only thing I would want to know, then, is if animal foods are required on this protocol or if plant based proteins could easily be substituted..as long as people don't see a drop in metabolism, and they could opt for all plant foods, then I would support it!

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    The actual protocol it has to be 100% exact in the diet animal protein has to be used, but the results are nothing short of miraculous you do it for a minimun of 21 days and than you eat whatever you want for the next 3 weeks with the exeption of starches and you should not go over 2lbs. from the weight you loss.after that you can eat what ever you want and let me tell you the weight does not come back. Logically I Try to eat Organic and Low on the food chain now as much as possible but either way this is the Cure for obesity or even if you just have like 15lbs. to loose.

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    What about symptoms such as being tired all of the time and paleness? I've noticed that she's been to the doctor a lot lately, too. And unless she's cheating on my friend, who's serving in Afghanistan right now, she's not pregnant. She seriously looks like a mess. Is it a possibility that she's just not doing the diet the way that it's described? I seriously still don't understand how somebody could survive off of 500 calories a day. I'm 5'10" and only 155 pounds and that's a small snack to me.
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    She just gave me the link to the hcg diet webpage that she uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theresa View Post
    comtemporayjkd wrote:

    wow, really? thats good to hear. The only thing I would want to know, then, is if animal foods are required on this protocol or if plant based proteins could easily be substituted..as long as people don't see a drop in metabolism, and they could opt for all plant foods, then I would support it!

    you do get that the thing that makes this work is the VERY LOW CALORIE diet, right?

    so you can eat less of anything. of course people see a drop in metabolism if (a) they're on this long enough (b) they're not exercising. But if you're only eating 500kcals a day, that will trounce any metabolic slow down.

    will one therefore burn fat fuel resources? yes.
    Is it healthy? no.
    is it miraculous? no. it's entirely predictable. here's the simple calculations around excess body fat, caloric intake and fat burning.

    so the claim that "your only comsuming 500 calories a day but your body is using between 2500-3000 calories from your fat the hcg makes this happen not you starving!"

    is only accurate to the point that you're burning calories from fat - and not 2500-3000 cals a day unless that's your metabolic rate. Really: anyone on only 500kcals a day especially with a lot of fat, is going to be drawing on that fat to sustain energy. there's nothing to show that hcg has anything to do with anything in fat loss - especially when you get the identical effect without it. but heck if someone believes that the sup they're paying tons for is the reason for their fat loss and not the vlc, well, i'd suggest that comes from a lack of understanding of some basic metabolic processes. Understandable, and folks with snake oil take advantage of that every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contemporaryjkd View Post
    The actual protocol it has to be 100% exact in the diet animal protein has to be used, but the results are nothing short of miraculous you do it for a minimun of 21 days and than you eat whatever you want for the next 3 weeks with the exeption of starches and you should not go over 2lbs. from the weight you loss.after that you can eat what ever you want and let me tell you the weight does not come back. Logically I Try to eat Organic and Low on the food chain now as much as possible but either way this is the Cure for obesity or even if you just have like 15lbs. to loose.
    I am glad it worked for you but this is NOT miraculous. It's an extreme calorie restricted diet for 21 days with a sensible 3 week plan keeping you away from starches and ensuring you keep at that weight by giving you the 2lbs rule. It's extreme, it works, but, it's certainly not a miracle.

    A number of people i know have done the following which is less extreme but works exactly the same. Calculate your BMR (basal meabolic rate). Eat at that calorie level. Loose weight. If you don't loose weight eat a little less or incorporate some exercise. When you hit your target weight watch the scale and if you are ever up 5 lbs know that you need to tighten your diet for a few days. Bingo. Magic bullet. Not a miracle either.

    No science to back this up. No big marketing budget. No real excitement. Just some personal responsibility for your results.

    The odd extreme diet can be a good move if it kick starts your system and teaches to find a sustainable diet that gives you what you want. The thing is it doesn't need to be so full of hype or secret method or holy grail nonsense. Why do we always want to make things more complex when simple almost always wins every time.

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    Every legitimate double-blind study shows that when people eat this diet without the HCG injections( I used injections not the spray)they do in fact, loose weight.However, They do not loose the problem area secure fat deposits. Their body is not reshaped. They loose muscle and structural fat. They have massive hunger and fatigue. When they stop the diet they immediately gain all the weight back, plus more! I keep reading that its not healthy, again the hcg is releasing the abnormal fat reserves, and is actually flooding your body with over 2000 calories of nutrition.( studies proved a person on this protocol will not be nutritional deficient.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by contemporaryjkd View Post
    Every legitimate double-blind study shows that when people eat this diet without the HCG injections( I used injections not the spray)they do in fact, loose weight.However, They do not loose the problem area secure fat deposits. Their body is not reshaped. They loose muscle and structural fat. They have massive hunger and fatigue. When they stop the diet they immediately gain all the weight back, plus more! I keep reading that its not healthy, again the hcg is releasing the abnormal fat reserves, and is actually flooding your body with over 2000 calories of nutrition.( studies proved a person on this protocol will not be nutritional deficient.)
    So you've looked through all the literature on VLC diets, and post VLC diets to come to this conclusion yourself, or this is what you've heard?

    are there any sources of double blind studies you could site that show that hcg targets visceral fat? or that it releases any more or less fat for fuel than diet without it? Or that muscle is preserved better in this case than without it?
    Or any studies following HCG dieters over time after their diet finishes?

    I mean references to journal articles, not trudeau's or similar's book.

    See without that, again, based on the folks i work with directly, and the folks i know who work with people working to get lean and healthy, and who work with obese people, the claims for HCG don't stack up - against any criteria.

    IF that worked for you, great. But without seeing it tested in these conditions in a double blind placebo trial, given the preponderance of evidence on the other side, it's the stone in the soup.

    and that psychological factor is not to be underestimated. There was a show in britain awhile ago where a doctor did a trial with a bunch of folks who said they wanted to lose weight. She asked them to take a diet pill for a month and then come back and get weighed. 95% of the participants lost weight.

    The pill was a sugar pill. What happened is that folks started paying attention to what they were eating more, snacking less, to help the pill along.

    fascinating.

    Anyway, i haven't been able to find studies on hcg, so if you can dig 'em up, that's great.
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    ps, very very very few people working in the obesity area think diet alone is the solution to losing weight and keeping healthy.
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    After that MC i fear this thread may become like a ghost town in an old Western

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiggers View Post
    After that MC i fear this thread may become like a ghost town in an old Western
    if that's what could happen to this external Single Factor approach to getting to a healthy weight, would that be a bad end?

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