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    Convict Conditioner is offline Senior Member
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    Smile CC Diet Advice, Please!

    Hi! I'm fairly new to this forum. I'm currently working on the New Blood routine of Convict Conditioning, to which I add some grip work. I also perform a lot of free climbing.

    I'm just interested to know what the posters here think about diet and bodyweight strength training.

    I guess I'm asking: if I training only using bodyweight, do I need a different diet from a traditional, weights-based trainer? Or is it the same?

    Thanks for your time and expertise!

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    I would avoid overcomplicating things. If you are training bodyweight and have an interest in climbing your main focus for a diet is that it keeps you very lean as well as providing you with enough energy to crank up that wall.

    Pretty much all options will work for you except of course those designated to put on as much mass as possible with heavy weight training. Particularly popular for the climbing physique would be the Warrior Diet and Eat Stop Eat. If you search for them you will have plenty of reading on here as they have been thoroughly covered.

    Chiggers

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    Convict Conditioner is offline Senior Member
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    Thumbs up Thanks

    Thanks Chiggers! I am vaguely aware of the warrior diet, but have never heard of eat-stop-eat. I'll research them both, and will probably come back atcha with many more questions!

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    This is an interesting question.

    I tend to think that good nutrition is good nutrition, however there IS a big, big difference in mindset between your typical "bulking up" bodybuilding diet and a strength calisthenics diet.

    If you're trying to gain muscle, you almost feel guilty by being hungry. The opposite is true on CC--feeling hungry brings psychological pleasure because you know when you do your press-ups tomorrow they'll feel easier.

    I think this is why so many people doing CC seem to be losing flab. It's not the workouts, it's this subconscious food-attitude factor.

    My advice?

    Focus first on good quality protein foods--meat, eggs, dairy, fish and shellfish. Carbs come second and should be based around fibre--greens, wholeweat bread, rice, and so on.

    I think the whole "eat six times a day" thing is well over-hyped. Eat three times--maybe with a snack if you're hungry--and you'll gain fine if you get a fair whack of protein and carbs in each meal.

    Eat like this and the odd treat won't kill yer.

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    Great question. In my experience, if you wish to specialize in strength, you don't really need to "bulk". It really depends on your goal. If you're trying to gain mass, eat more and add some high volume work after your strength sets, eg. 3xpushups to failure after your one-armed pushup strength training, which I would classify as "heavy" strength training, if you will. If you're tryin to gain strength, you don't really need to bulk. I myself follow the leangains protocol, a modified IF approach by Martin Berkhan. My rules of eating: eat at maintenance caloric level in the 8h eating window. I've managed to stay at 10% body fat and make good strength gains from this. I don't even eat high-protein or low-carb or anything of the sort! The main lesson is not to worry too much over your macronutrient intake or anything, but to focus on eating clean and as unprocessed as possible. I eat brown rice everyday and have ripped abs and make strength gains each week. It's not about the carbs, it's about the nature of it.

    As for the comparative leanness of bodyweight vs iron training, it's got a lot more to do with the nature of the types of exercises than most think. Bodyweight exercises are closed-kinetic chain exercises, where you're moving your body. The metabolic effect of doing the one-armed pushup is thus greater than an open kinetic chain exercise like the bench press, for example, where you're moving an external weight. It incorporates a lot more cardiovascular activity than the weight-lifting exercises and would thus contribute more to fat-burning. This book is aptly named as a "conditioning" manual as bodyweight exercises would teach your body a completely different range of motion and streamline your body like weight-lifting probably won't do. Think Bruce Lee vs Arnold. Both are extremely lean
    but Bruce Lee was more streamlined and ripped, while Arnold was jacked like heck. However, it is true that the diet also is involved in keeping someone lean.

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    Smile Thanks guys!

    What excellent replies, I'm honored! Thanks guys!

    @Chiggers: On your rec, I bought The Warrior Diet and am reading it right now. I want to read the whole thing before I start the diet. So far the book is highly inspiring. VERY different from everything I've read before. In particular, I love Hoffmekler's views on the Greeks and Romans, and how "warrior peoples" trained and ate. I've learned a huge amound already and am real grateful you pointed me in this direction, thanks!

    @Henry Ross: Interesting, your ideas actually meld pretty good with the Warrior Diet, especially the "you don't need six feedings a day" bit. Really interesting. And you're right, I have noticed my attitude to food change while working on CC, but I'm not certain this factor was within my range of consciousness until you said it and I started thinking about it!! Love your "commonsense" approach!

    @Clementinho: I absolutely agree with everything you say, and I eat a lot of brown rice too. Going "unprocessed" is something I struggle with but need to do it more. I'm going to take this on board and use it, without doubt. I also really like your analogy between Arnold and Bruce Lee. I'm going to try and remember that, it seems profound, and definitely true on some level. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict Conditioner View Post
    What excellent replies, I'm honored! Thanks guys!

    @Chiggers: On your rec, I bought The Warrior Diet and am reading it right now. I want to read the whole thing before I start the diet. So far the book is highly inspiring. VERY different from everything I've read before. In particular, I love Hoffmekler's views on the Greeks and Romans, and how "warrior peoples" trained and ate. I've learned a huge amound already and am real grateful you pointed me in this direction, thanks!
    Glad to be of some help. I think it's a book worth reading. Your man on this forum who is Mr Warrior Diet is Steve Freides. There isn't much the man doesn't know about it. An advantage is he stops by here frequently and is always helpful. He has been on the WD for a long long time and i believe his lady is too.

    Good luck with it. Remember to ease into it and that it can take a little bit of time for your body to get comfortable with the new feeding cycle.

    You are in good shoes as many on here have followed or still follow the WD (and many close variants) - including the main man Pavel.

    Chiggers

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    Actually Pavel gets nutrition testing from Welcome to RealPNC.com although he follows the WD meal timing a little more than that doc thinks he should.

    Anyway, I highly recommend those tests for people who are interested in actually KNOWING how to eat for your body instead of guessing like your otherwise forced to do. Since no one knows your chemistry without a test, all anyone here can tell you that will help is to eat as cleanly as possible and eat more to gain weight, less to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nixunat View Post
    Actually Pavel gets nutrition testing from Welcome to RealPNC.com although he follows the WD meal timing a little more than that doc thinks he should.
    How come you are privy to this and know what the Doctor recommends Pavel do? Are you the nurse?

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    haha cause the doc and Pavel are actually pretty good friends. You get a consultation with the doc after every test and I asked him if he knew about Pavel...boy did he. he said that Pavel does follow his testing and tests well every time, even though he thinks his meal timing could be better.

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