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    Quote Originally Posted by forth View Post
    Most protein is extracted from "natural" sources. I don't see the big deal if you get your whey from milk (like buying a package of milk) or from milk (like buying a bag of protein powder).

    The claim that protein powder should be fake food does not rhyme well with how nutrition actually works.
    Well, I'm not worrying about rhymes but facts. ;o)

    It is a fake food for several reasons:

    First, it isn't in its natural state. I'd be willing to bet 99.9% of the people who use powders haven't read how they're processed. Simple research would probably turn most people off of the stuff.

    Second, I'd be willing to bet most people don't understand the impact of surface area of "food" to the way insulin, etc., works. Our bodies do NOT treat powdered, processed or blended foods in the same way they do in their normal packages. Referencing Art Devany, years ago he'd posted some research that talked about the differences in powdered/manufactured products vs. real food. If you join his site, I'm sure that information is still available. But, the "surface" information is real biochemistry.

    Supplement companies aren't mother nature...they lie, twist the facts and BS to sell product. Books including Muscle Smoke & Mirrors and Brad Pilon's excellent book on protein talk about the absolute nonsense we're fed to believe in the biological wholesomeness or superiority of manufactured foods, and, how they sponsor research to back their claims. Dunno why more people don't look into this information?

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    You must be kidding. There is no difference in how your body processes something just because of the shape of it. Everything gets turned into the same shape in your stomach, all protein gets denatured, and then later on in the digestive tract it gets split up into aminoacids. There is absolutely no difference if it is in the form of meat, dairy or powder.

    I am not interested in someone who only publishes information on some secret site instead of peer reviewed journals, sorry.

    No one, to my knowledge, is claiming protein powder is superior.

    Natural state, you must be kidding. There is no such thing as "natural state", and we're not designed to eat food that is in some special state anyway. Our system has grown to disect food into macronutrients and suck the good parts up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forth View Post
    You must be kidding. There is no difference in how your body processes something just because of the shape of it. Everything gets turned into the same shape in your stomach, all protein gets denatured, and then later on in the digestive tract it gets split up into aminoacids. There is absolutely no difference if it is in the form of meat, dairy or powder.

    I am not interested in someone who only publishes information on some secret site instead of peer reviewed journals, sorry.

    No one, to my knowledge, is claiming protein powder is superior.

    Natural state, you must be kidding. There is no such thing as "natural state", and we're not designed to eat food that is in some special state anyway. Our system has grown to disect food into macronutrients and suck the good parts up.
    Let me provide some very simple examples you might be able to understand:

    1. Sugar. In its "natural" state, such as when it is found in starches, fruits, vegetables, etc., sugar has far less affect on your hormonal responses--insulin, for one--than when it has been processed and removed from food. Try making your argument with a diabetic.
    2. Surface. I'll let you find the biochemistry on line or at your library, if you're interested, but, the more "surface" of a nutrient that is exposed, the more quickly it absorbed and the faster it affects the body. Plain & simple biology. Lets consider sugar, again. The affect of white bread on insulin levels vs. a sweet potato is significantly different. Just look at the Glycemic Index. The science explains why...the carbohydrates that comprise the white bread are processed, thereby exposing more surface area.

    These are just a few examples. Instead of making comments such as "you must be kidding", I would suggest taking the time to learn the biochemistry and objective information vs. just stating what the supplement manufacturers have brainwashed you with.

    Our bodies don't dissect food...seriously? What biology class teaches that?

    And there are plenty of ads by the supplement companies regarding the superiority of their product over food. "You must be kidding!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotsfan View Post
    Let me provide some very simple examples you might be able to understand:

    1. Sugar. In its "natural" state, such as when it is found in starches, fruits, vegetables, etc., sugar has far less affect on your hormonal responses--insulin, for one--than when it has been processed and removed from food. Try making your argument with a diabetic.
    2. Surface. I'll let you find the biochemistry on line or at your library, if you're interested, but, the more "surface" of a nutrient that is exposed, the more quickly it absorbed and the faster it affects the body. Plain & simple biology. Lets consider sugar, again. The affect of white bread on insulin levels vs. a sweet potato is significantly different. Just look at the Glycemic Index. The science explains why...the carbohydrates that comprise the white bread are processed, thereby exposing more surface area.

    These are just a few examples. Instead of making comments such as "you must be kidding", I would suggest taking the time to learn the biochemistry and objective information vs. just stating what the supplement manufacturers have brainwashed you with.

    Our bodies don't dissect food...seriously? What biology class teaches that?

    And there are plenty of ads by the supplement companies regarding the superiority of their product over food. "You must be kidding!"
    Our body does dissect food. Triglycerides gets chopped up into free lipids before uptake, proteins gets denatured and chopped up into aminoacids, and all carbohydrates get chopped up into monohydrates (four different ones of them) so they can be taken up. Please get a book on basic nutrition and metabolism.

    Yes more surface exposure of a carbohydrate means that it gets chopped up faster, indeed also the shape of it (straight line or tree shaped) makes a big difference. Aminoacids is a whole different thing than carbohydrates though.

    And no, "sugar" (please specify which specific sugar?) in a fruit is not treated any different than sugar in a bag. The only difference is that it takes longer to unpackage it. But when the parts have been seperated in your digestive tract I assure you that one molecule from a package of sugar has the exact same effect on the hormonal system as one molecule of the same monohydrate from a pear.

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    As for advertising protein supplements as being better as food I have never in my life seen this done, I actually believe this would be highly illegal to do in the EU.

    But you speak of "supplements" so maybe you don't mean only protein supplements, and then it is a very different thing we're talking about, of course.

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    These are all fake news just to spoil the repute of some of good protein companies like Whey.I think that you need to use the Whey Isolate,I have used it in the past and get result from this product...
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    i always use natural protein mix which is made manually at home..Its showing good effect

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    Protein powders are mostly used in bodybuilding.Omega-3 is good protein powder that are used to boost energy, build stamina, grow bones, strong muscles and improve fitness. While choosing a supplement or protein powder check that its should not too high potency, high proteins and its related to your body type because it may cause fatness and increase cholesterol.
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    amino mass is the most advanced formula for the the best protein composition..
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