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    The enemy to being healthy for so long has been fats. I mean the word itself is the thing we are trying to fight, is it not? There was a story just released on December 20th 2010 in the LA Times stating that we’ve been wrong for a long time and its time to change that thinking. Fats are not the enemy; it is actually the carbs and sugars that mess with our diet and health the most. In the LA Times article, Dr. Walter Willet of Harvard said that “Fat is not the problem. If Americans could eliminate sugary beverages, potatoes, white bread, pasta, white rice, and sugary snacks, we would wipe out almost all the problems in weight and diabetes and other metabolic diseases.”
    I’m sure this comes as a shock to a lot of people because for a very long time we had been told how bad fats were for you how cholesterol was a terrible thing and how they were linked to heart problems and circulatory problems and now this notion is being turned on its head. Also the notion that refined sugars were worse for you then unrefined has been going under scrutiny as well. Studies have been showing that the way your blood interacts with the two types of sugars are the same and that the body does what it does to sugars the same way whether refined or not; your body takes no preference to one or the other.
    These are huge breakthroughs and really are changing 50 and 60 year old premises like that fats and meats are bad and breads and veggies and fruits are the best when in actuality it is beginning to seem like fat and protein are good while processed foods like breads and any type of sugar, whether stuff in the middle of an Oreo or the fructose found in an apple, are turning out to be the real bad guys.

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    Maybe in 1990 this post would have been shocking. But it is 2010 and fairly mainstream now that "healthy fats are healthy" especially here on DD.

    But more disturbing to me is that your recent two posts seem to be in stark contradiction to each other.

    In the first post you attack Atkins for saying that there is a metabolic advantage to eating meats and fats that does not occur when one eats a refined carb diet. It is only and always calories in calories out.

    Now in this post you imply that the body processes carbs differently from meats and fats. Meats and fats do something different to the body than refined carbs.

    But why can't this difference result in a "metabolic advantage" that tips the calories in CALORIES OUT equation in "our favor?"

    If the foods do something different to us, produce different reactions in the body, allow differnt hormones to be released, then why wouldn't that be able to have an affect on weight loss?

    Plus - people responded to your last post and you didn't even comment back. I think you are spamming.

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    Thanks for your message, no it is not spam I just happen to work and thusly can't post as often as i would like to. If you actually took the time to read my first post you'd realize that I never state that the low carb approach is the problem, its the caloric intake that creates the problem. The way Atkins states it is that you can eat as much as you want as long as it is the low carb diet he subscribes to. So please take a look at the first post and read the response i posted on the questions or statements made.

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    What kind of fats do you recommend? How much? Whats your take on coconut milk/oil.

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    9 months after I switched to eating more fat and protein I had gone in and gotten a blood panel done and all of my levels fell into the "ideal" range, where my cholesterol was a bit high when I had the test before and there is a history of this in my family. The only changes that I made in that time were in diet - eating fish oil, grass-fed beef, cooking with grass-fed lard, grass-fed butter, coconut oil, olive oil, other meats, whole milk & yogurt & cottage cheese, and non-starchy vegetables and berries. Before that I ate pretty clean, but I ate more carbs from whole grains and bread and starchy veggies like potatoes and tried to stay away from all fats. (I still avoid vegetable oils like the plague though) I've also become leaner, less hungry, and more muscular. I went (over the years) from getting my butt kicked with a few sets of swings of a 16kg KB @ bodyweight of 160# to pressing 38kgs, swinging/jerking two 32kgs @ about 180# currently. I am ok with that! If that is spam, I'll have another helping ; )
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    Greg,

    What is your take on dairy? There seems to be a lot of contradicting information on the subject. Would you include it as a part of your low-carb diet?

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    Thanks a lot mettleman, I really enjoy your screen name and hope you test your mettle daily! You'll find that white starches (potatoes, rice, white bread) and processed ones are the worst things for you for the body will burn a lot of other energy sources before using these for energy.


    WTBag, I don't fractionate my fats and since my diet is low in carbohydrate most of the fat that I get is high in animal fat which is the saturated kind. In fact, human fat is one of the most saturated fats in the animal kingdom.Coconut oil is very good but I don't use it much because I'm eating meat, eggs, and butter. I use olive oil in cooking and stay away from vegetable oilsand certainly avoid trans fatty acids like margarine altogether.


    Indy, The most important part of the low-carbohydrate diet is the number of grams of carbohydrate that one consumes by the end of the day. Therefore, those carbs can come from any source. I do use heavy whipping cream and I also drink milk but it is mostly raw. I stay away from pasteurized/homogenized milk which is where I think the problems occur. I never touch low-fat milk products and I occasionally use yogurt without the fruit base. Milk is not a big part of my diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drgregellis View Post
    Thanks a lot mettleman, I really enjoy your screen name and hope you test your mettle daily! You'll find that white starches (potatoes, rice, white bread) and processed ones are the worst things for you for the body will burn a lot of other energy sources before using these for energy.


    WTBag, I don't fractionate my fats and since my diet is low in carbohydrate most of the fat that I get is high in animal fat which is the saturated kind. In fact, human fat is one of the most saturated fats in the animal kingdom.Coconut oil is very good but I don't use it much because I'm eating meat, eggs, and butter. I use olive oil in cooking and stay away from vegetable oilsand certainly avoid trans fatty acids like margarine altogether.


    Indy, The most important part of the low-carbohydrate diet is the number of grams of carbohydrate that one consumes by the end of the day. Therefore, those carbs can come from any source. I do use heavy whipping cream and I also drink milk but it is mostly raw. I stay away from pasteurized/homogenized milk which is where I think the problems occur. I never touch low-fat milk products and I occasionally use yogurt without the fruit base. Milk is not a big part of my diet.
    Greg, your diet sounds very similar to the way I eat. I had a milk allergy early on in my life so I do not consume much dairy; however, I have found that I can tolerate raw milk products pretty well. If I had a source of raw milk, I would definitely consume it on a regular basis. So, I pretty to raw milk cheese. I do, however, consume a lot of coconut products. I believe it is a source of saturates fat. Of course, my primary source are animal protein. What is your take on organic meat? Do you try to stick to it strictly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Greg, your diet sounds very similar to the way I eat. I had a milk allergy early on in my life so I do not consume much dairy; however, I have found that I can tolerate raw milk products pretty well. If I had a source of raw milk, I would definitely consume it on a regular basis. So, I pretty to raw milk cheese. I do, however, consume a lot of coconut products. I believe it is a source of saturates fat. Of course, my primary source are animal protein. What is your take on organic meat? Do you try to stick to it strictly?
    I think it's good if you can get it but I am suspicious about the ability to produce it, as all ground water in the US is toxic. Also, if you are organic and the farmer next to you is not, I think that complicates things as well. When I was younger, I tried to do it that way but found it did not make much difference and I simply got tired of micromanaging my life.

    I've observed that when young people get into "all this" they weigh things as much more important than they actually are but it's something that you sort of have to go through to get to the other side.

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