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    Thanks for the help everyone. Would anyone here suggest creatine supplements for vegetarians? My only problem is it's probably coming from meat rather than fish anyway or anything else anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fir View Post
    Thanks for the help everyone. Would anyone here suggest creatine supplements for vegetarians? My only problem is it's probably coming from meat rather than fish anyway or anything else anyway.
    Fir,

    I think you could do with using some google-fu on vegan athletes as well as perhaps buying some books on the vegan diet. Start with reading Mike Mahler's stuff. That's what I did when I needed to answer many of the same questions. I found my answers with a little work. You can too. Define what you want to achieve from your diet and then find out how best to get there. Test your ideas. Change things. Adapt an approach that works for you. Not meaning to be rude but will be better if you actually do the work yourself. The answers are there so it's time to start looking.

    Best of luck,

    Chiggers

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    Thanks, it's time for me to start!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fir View Post
    Thanks for the help everyone. Would anyone here suggest creatine supplements for vegetarians? My only problem is it's probably coming from meat rather than fish anyway or anything else anyway.
    It is a safe bet that most creatine sold as supplement is synthetically produced.

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    How do they make synthetic creatine? Is it safe?

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    Excuse the necropost, but here's THE study about this.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...3-6691152a.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano3000 View Post
    Excuse the necropost, but here's THE study about this.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...3-6691152a.pdf
    That study proves that there is a study that will prove any point - no matter what the point is. But as with most things, the devil is in the details.

    The headline is that vegans have higher T levels than meat eaters and vegetarians. People read the headline and run to message boards to post the "proof" that the vegan diet is king. Few, unfortunately, actually look at the details of the study.

    Just a quick look reveals that the vegan was on average 11 yrs younger than the meat eater and 11kg lighter. So the headline could actually read, "Younger, Thinner people have higher t levels than older, fatter people" rather than what it actually said.

    Be vegan if you want. Just don't justify it with poor studies.

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    Way to condescend there chief
    "All mean hormone concentrations are adjusted for age, smoking
    status, vigorous exercise, time of day of venipuncture, time since
    last eaten at venipuncture and time between venipuncture and
    blood processing. Mean hormone concentrations are presented
    with and without adjustment for BMI (Table 2)."

    Even after adjustment for all of these factors, vegans still came out ahead of the rest.

    No comment on the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atl View Post
    Most vegans suffer muscle loss due to not eating enough complete proteins. It is possible to do, but really inconvenient. I tried it and dumped it as another dead end trendy diet.
    I have developed a Raw Vegan plant based protein that has a complete amino acid structure to it. It does very well for keeping lean body mass during heavy training
    Dale Buchanan RKC
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    [URL="http://supremeultimatefitness.com"]Supreme Ultimate Fitness[/URL]
    [URL="http://dalesrawfoods.com"]Dale's Raw Foods [/URL]

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