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    Quote Originally Posted by Atl View Post
    Actually buying a copy of the Purposeful Primitive from this site will tell you as much as you really need to know about diet for performance. It covers the Warrior style diets and the 6 meal a day PN style diets both. It also tells under which conditions each diet is most effective. There is no magic diet because we are all individuals and we all respond differently to different diet approaches, so understanding a set of principles is really more valuable than just learning one approach.
    This is very good advice.

    I'm not saying PN is not worth looking into.. but it definitely is not "all that". And highly overpriced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forth View Post
    The conclusion pretty much says it all.
    which one? that PN is not rigid; moves with the best science and practice?



    How does this rhyme with anything in the PDF you linked to? It says eating every 2-3 hour is a must.. that's like a 3rd of it the whole thing.
    yup
    because there's more to meal frequency than thermogenisis. as berardi says.

    and as some of the links i've posted also note, meal frequency is ONE strategy to develop a more regularised approach to baselining eating practice. After working with our nutrition/biomed research group for the past couple years, it's really clear that an important part of behaviour change around eating is being able to get a pattern happening. smaller more frequent meals is one very effective strategy for supporting many people's snacking behaviour but converting it into something healthful.

    it's not appropriate to blow this up into the main thing about PN - if you want to eat only 4 times a day - including "snacks" then bully for you: the point is to get consistent and when one eats to have some guidance about what one puts on the plate.

    this is also why there are phases of getting one with the habits in pn, and then once there, with that baseline, moving to the individualisation plan.

    and getting clients to get fit by getting their diet to switch to a caloric deficit and high protein is nothing new under the sun.
    er no, pn doesn't claim that this is. It doesn't invent most of the science/practice it uses.

    I'm not saying PN is not worth looking into.. but it definitely is not "all that". And highly overpriced.
    "highly overpriced" -
    i wonder how that determination was derived based on the fact that the PN package includes

    forum access
    associated videos and related audio materials of exercise programs
    access to experts 24/7
    and in the box is the
    - success guide
    - diet guide
    -quick start guide
    - super shake guide
    - 5 minute meals
    - individualisation guide
    - measurement guide
    - plant based diet guide
    - maintenance guide
    - support guide
    - gourmet nutrition cook book vol 1

    at $97 USD that seems pretty reasonable.

    as i've written about before, access to the forum alone is worth the price of admission. The folks there are awesome.

    Now of course value is in the eye of the beholder and the needs of same. I personally like to be able to connect with experts about a particular query related to a given approach or program - that has meant a tremendous amount to my success. It's also been a big plus for folks i coach.

    But if you don't need what it offers, that's cool. but for what is offered, i can't call that overpriced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc View Post
    which one? that PN is not rigid; moves with the best science and practice?


    yup
    because there's more to meal frequency than thermogenisis. as berardi says.

    and as some of the links i've posted also note, meal frequency is ONE strategy to develop a more regularised approach to baselining eating practice. After working with our nutrition/biomed research group for the past couple years, it's really clear that an important part of behaviour change around eating is being able to get a pattern happening. smaller more frequent meals is one very effective strategy for supporting many people's snacking behaviour but converting it into something healthful.

    it's not appropriate to blow this up into the main thing about PN - if you want to eat only 4 times a day - including "snacks" then bully for you: the point is to get consistent and when one eats to have some guidance about what one puts on the plate.

    this is also why there are phases of getting one with the habits in pn, and then once there, with that baseline, moving to the individualisation plan.
    Your pdf sure seems to make it look like the absolutely most important thing. I'm well aware of that if you eat 1 meal or 22 meals / day doesn't matter at all. Yes establishing habits is the important factor.. but it is not what PN markets.

    "highly overpriced" -
    i wonder how that determination was derived based on the fact that the PN package includes

    forum access
    associated videos and related audio materials of exercise programs
    access to experts 24/7
    and in the box is the
    - success guide
    - diet guide
    -quick start guide
    - super shake guide
    - 5 minute meals
    - individualisation guide
    - measurement guide
    - plant based diet guide
    - maintenance guide
    - support guide
    - gourmet nutrition cook book vol 1

    at $97 USD that seems pretty reasonable.

    as i've written about before, access to the forum alone is worth the price of admission. The folks there are awesome.

    Now of course value is in the eye of the beholder and the needs of same. I personally like to be able to connect with experts about a particular query related to a given approach or program - that has meant a tremendous amount to my success. It's also been a big plus for folks i coach.

    But if you don't need what it offers, that's cool. but for what is offered, i can't call that overpriced.

    mc
    I highly disagree. I own these products and I still find it highly overpriced, even with the access to the much fabled forum.

    97$ to learn the kcal in <> kcal out, and keeping protein high is what matters, plus some basics about nutrition timig, and some fancyfied cookbooks... heck you can get it for free with some easy google searches

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc View Post
    which one? that PN is not rigid; moves with the best science and practice?


    yup
    because there's more to meal frequency than thermogenisis. as berardi says.

    and as some of the links i've posted also note, meal frequency is ONE strategy to develop a more regularised approach to baselining eating practice. After working with our nutrition/biomed research group for the past couple years, it's really clear that an important part of behaviour change around eating is being able to get a pattern happening. smaller more frequent meals is one very effective strategy for supporting many people's snacking behaviour but converting it into something healthful.

    it's not appropriate to blow this up into the main thing about PN - if you want to eat only 4 times a day - including "snacks" then bully for you: the point is to get consistent and when one eats to have some guidance about what one puts on the plate.

    this is also why there are phases of getting one with the habits in pn, and then once there, with that baseline, moving to the individualisation plan.

    er no, pn doesn't claim that this is. It doesn't invent most of the science/practice it uses.

    "highly overpriced" -
    i wonder how that determination was derived based on the fact that the PN package includes

    forum access
    associated videos and related audio materials of exercise programs
    access to experts 24/7
    and in the box is the
    - success guide
    - diet guide
    -quick start guide
    - super shake guide
    - 5 minute meals
    - individualisation guide
    - measurement guide
    - plant based diet guide
    - maintenance guide
    - support guide
    - gourmet nutrition cook book vol 1

    at $97 USD that seems pretty reasonable.

    as i've written about before, access to the forum alone is worth the price of admission. The folks there are awesome.

    Now of course value is in the eye of the beholder and the needs of same. I personally like to be able to connect with experts about a particular query related to a given approach or program - that has meant a tremendous amount to my success. It's also been a big plus for folks i coach.

    But if you don't need what it offers, that's cool. but for what is offered, i can't call that overpriced.

    mc
    When I eat 6 meals, if I eat enough to be satiated at one of them, then I will ultimately gain weight. If I eat 6 small meals a day I will feel starved even if the overall caloric load is relatively high. If I don't eat until satiated once a day I feel a tremendous psychological pressure build up. I could never make 6 meals a day sustainable. This may be a dysfunctional eating pattern...I don't know, but that is how it is for me and many other people.
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    I do not regret having spent $97 on the Precision Nutrition package. I think you get value for the money here.

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    The part I didn't like about PN besides the six meals a day thing was how it says to eat a set amount of protein with each meal then adds whey into all the recipes that didn't have enough protein. Just didn't seem natural.

    Also I just prefer dieting subjects like intermittent fasting because they make dieting cheaper rather than more expensive which was probably something that turned me off from PN, it would be expensive, at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickbuzz View Post
    The part I didn't like about PN besides the six meals a day thing was how it says to eat a set amount of protein with each meal then adds whey into all the recipes that didn't have enough protein. Just didn't seem natural.

    Also I just prefer dieting subjects like intermittent fasting because they make dieting cheaper rather than more expensive which was probably something that turned me off from PN, it would be expensive, at least for me.
    "natural" is a bit of an odd word..

    I'm not sure how intermittent fasting make things cheaper though. You still need to get the same macronutrients and calories / day, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forth View Post
    This is very good advice.

    I'm not saying PN is not worth looking into.. but it definitely is not "all that". And highly overpriced.
    Comrade forth, I will protest. First, if Comrade mc thinks it's worthwhile, that's endorsement enough for me. Second, I have heard many people complain that Pavel's books are overpriced, and I don't agree with that, either. If it changes your life for the better, then it's worth $97 or $197 or $1097. The devil is often in the details - I've heard the same complaint about the Warrior Diet book, but I find that both the Warrior Diet book and Ori's other boo, the Anti-Estrogenic Diet, are very well worth their cover prices. In Ori's case, I think the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and one gets a better understanding by reading both of his book on this subject than one can possibly get from reading only one of them.

    NB: I get cranky when people complain about stuff that works being overpriced. Precision Nutrition has worked for a lot of people, and while I do acknowledge that you're entitled to your opinion, I don't accept that you can decide whether or not what's in the book is worth it to someone else.

    Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFreides View Post
    Comrade forth, I will protest. First, if Comrade mc thinks it's worthwhile, that's endorsement enough for me. Second, I have heard many people complain that Pavel's books are overpriced, and I don't agree with that, either. If it changes your life for the better, then it's worth $97 or $197 or $1097. The devil is often in the details - I've heard the same complaint about the Warrior Diet book, but I find that both the Warrior Diet book and Ori's other boo, the Anti-Estrogenic Diet, are very well worth their cover prices. In Ori's case, I think the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and one gets a better understanding by reading both of his book on this subject than one can possibly get from reading only one of them.

    NB: I get cranky when people complain about stuff that works being overpriced. Precision Nutrition has worked for a lot of people, and while I do acknowledge that you're entitled to your opinion, I don't accept that you can decide whether or not what's in the book is worth it to someone else.

    Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

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    I don't think I ever said it didn't work. Just charging money for information that is available for free is to me overpriced. $97 for some eating guidelines is just a lot imo.. and then the other reading material is just filler. But of course if people like it and get results and find it worth that money good on them. I'm all for people changing their lives. But is it "all that"? surely not. It is hyped up something crazy.

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    IMHO, I am with forth on this... They seem pretty behind on the IF stuff, I know they are going to be releasing something soon on that... I did learn some good little bits of new info from PN, as forth said though, most of the info is already out there. There is no value in having the hard binder approach, sure the pictures are pretty, but a better price/value could be achieved with going digital. I think ESE is a much better value, I also had better results with ESE...

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