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    There's some discussion about this IF article over at the bodyrecomp forum, and one of Lyles comments regarding Berardi just about sums up my feelings towards PN as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefhiawatha View Post
    That's a great back and forth!

    PN: Here is product X

    SF: That's not actually product X at all.

    PN: thanks for that, people interested in product X can go to the manufacturer's website and find out the real info.

    SF: Why don't you remove the wrong info?

    PN: here's the website, folks, if you want to check it out.

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    That about sums it up, at least they could read they material they talk about, or at least read something about it. The second hit on google for "warrior diet" was "introduction to the warrior diet: The Warrior Diet is based on a daily feeding cycle of 'undereating' during the day and 'overeating' at night".
    Not that hard to at least get those details straight. I bet there is even more information on the website, and imagine the wealth of information in the books, that is if you would even consider reading about the subject you are discussing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrMushroom View Post
    That about sums it up, at least they could read they material they talk about, or at least read something about it. The second hit on google for "warrior diet" was "introduction to the warrior diet: The Warrior Diet is based on a daily feeding cycle of 'undereating' during the day and 'overeating' at night".
    Not that hard to at least get those details straight. I bet there is even more information on the website, and imagine the wealth of information in the books, that is if you would even consider reading about the subject you are discussing...
    +1. PN simply doesn't seem to "get" that they've offered misinformation, and why that is continues to puzzle me as they seem an otherwise honorably group over there. It seems the idea of the WD as intermittent fasting is stuck in their heads, and the fact that there is no fasting in it just "does not compute" for them.

    In the WD book, Ori does talk about the traditions associated with fasting, and the physical and spiritual/emotional benefits. Indeed, I don't think it's wrong to say the philosophy behind fasting in various religious traditions is at the heart of the Warrior Diet, but one must say, in the same breath, that Ori does not advocate fasting but rather a modern approach to achieving many of those benefits based on cyclic under- and over-eating.

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    Fasting today back to back crappy eating days. Sunday we didn't have power so we went to the bowling alley to watch the Patriots, Burgers, Fries, Beer. Yesterday indulged in some Halloween candy. 15 hours down, 9 to go. It's mind over matter. Especially when a sales rep brings in a dozen donuts. Geoff Neupert put it so elegantly in a blog yesterday. The reason people fail is they want the short term reward vs. how they want to look in the long run.

    IF is a fantastic part of one's diet. When you do it regularly, it's not so bad, but when you start up again after not doing it for a couple of weeks. It's tough.

    Comrade Steve have you been promoted the new Minister of Information for the Warrior Diet?
    Keep it up. Unfortunately the fitness industry has a ton of misinformation. Anything we can do to allieviate should be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BChase View Post
    Comrade Steve have you been promoted the new Minister of Information for the Warrior Diet?
    I hereby anointment myself as Resident Warrior Diet Zealot on the DragonDoor forums, but that's as far as my authority goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forth View Post
    There's some discussion about this IF article over at the bodyrecomp forum, and one of Lyles comments regarding Berardi just about sums up my feelings towards PN as a whole.
    I agree, I purchased PN mainly because a few influential people here thought it was such a good program... This IF book, that was much hyped on the PN forums, is a bunch of fluff, " wait! we're coming out with our super official research on IF".... A little better than Feriss where n=1, at least with PN we get n=2- awesome... Not really....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al-uk View Post
    Thanks for the link mc.

    The leangains protocol (rubbish name) is my favorite way toIF. I have heard it said that it is the ETK of diets…

    I know someone who didn’t like the description of thewarrior diet but loved the name, so adopted it.

    Whatever diet he follows is THE warrior diet. ;]
    Al if you mean the don't eat for 16 and get all your eating done in 8, yes i've been doing that one for the past dunno, 2 and a bit weeks. and keeping in with the idea of less is more focusing on greens, proteins, healthy fats - as i pursue some lean strength goals. It's very interesting. Too early for me to say other than that
    a) i can do it daily and
    b) it doesn't feel as overwhelming as a one day total fast - which i still do from time to time, but is not something i'm keen to make a weekly practice - yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BChase View Post
    Great stuff MC! I like Berardi and read his stuff in T-Nation as well. I play with intermittent fasting. Usually 1 or 2 times a week 2-3 weeks out of the month. The best day for me is always Monday after a weekend. The Lean Gains approach is fantastic but not realistic in that I have to work out in the morning vs. at 1:00. In my opinion its if you can control your diet, which is always the big key on non-fast days. Fast 24 hours once a week and watch your carb intake 100g especially in the afternoon on non-fast days.
    Hi BChase,
    glad you're happy in your nutrition and liked the post.
    If you're a once a week fast guy and like it that's great.
    As said to Al, i'm doing the 16/8 approach daily, and haven't noticed it bothering my workouts at all. As Berardi suggests i'll do creatine bcaas and greens (and i add a gram of endurox for taste) and usually mix it with green tea, and i'm good to go. or i work out after dinner.

    But isn't it nice to have options to find what works for you??

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    Default the bigger picture, perhaps?

    overall the thing i take away form it - despite the weird response on WD tho i believe the text was revised steve, did you not say? - is a bigger picture:

    a thorough report publically available on one guy's disciplined practice with several popular IF approaches (not including WD which doesn't really call itself an IF approach).

    There are a lot of takeaways from such:

    • a model on a good way to find out how an approach works for a person or not
    • the effects of particular approaches on mood/performance (good to have another author in there who's also been testing these protocols)
    • where to head for more info
    • a few reasons to keep exploring this approach
    • and why / how after the experiment of half a frickin year these strategies may fit in to normalised practice.


    and name mismatch or not, the protocols actually used are very well described AND also show willing to lose clients to other people's systems. That's not nothing.

    Also props for checking out IF and being willing to reconsider and reevaluate programs based on growing research and experience. That too seems pretty cool. Note he's not promoting IF and abandoning PN principles; it's an exploration and a question: how do these things work together WHEN might they be used for goals optimally? strategies for contexts. that's cool too. tho some people might not see it as a strength i respect it.

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    mc, the text was revised and is better but it still conveys a wrong impression of the WD - less wrong than before but nonetheless wrong.

    The whole project is a noble effort at openmindedness with regards to one's own commercial product. I don't dispute that nor do I doubt John is an honorable person.

    But ...

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