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    Default pn does IF (intermittent fasting styles tested)

    Post six months of experimentation, precision nutrition has reviewed several approaches to IF

    here's then a detailed case study of different IF affects and approaches.

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    mc, the description of the Warrior Diet is wrong. I haven't had a chance to read every word of this - I will - but the Warrior Diet is not a 20 hour fast, it's a undereating period, and those are two different things.

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    Not had chnce to read it all, but what I have read has been very interesting.
    I dont agree with his view of trial or perodic fasting being easier than daily fasting though. I have found that people find daily fasting a lot easier than a full 24 hour fast.

    Looking forward to reading the rest, thanks for posting it
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    Northern:
    glad you're finding it an interesting read.

    as for your experience with 24 hour fasting: remember that berardi is making NO CLAIMS FOR ANYONE ELSE"S experience - it's his experience and scott-dixon's experience - and they make that pretty clear with "your mileage may vary" - the point has been to give a detailed set of experiences - what we'd call a case study.

    The last page is "try this at home"

    THe cool thing about berardi is that he has enough experience with food responses that he can and dose stick with the protocol - no matter what - and then switches to a new one. that's quite amazing.

    Personally i find the 16/8 easier as a more regular practice than pscyching for a one day fast, but like berardi tend to throw them in as needed or desired.

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    ya i know it's not fasting per se but i appreciate how that sense of graze lightly till the evening feast got picked up as fasting. Of all the protocols tested it's not the one he used.

    If you PM me with those notes in a wee wee note i'll send them over and at least they'll have the info. or you can make a post to beradi or the pn site's facebook page yourself?

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    Seems to be some confusion about the leangains protocols in this text, but an interesting read sure. Sadly it misses some of the more interesting aspects of PF-style which is more neuroplasticity oriented than weight maintenance oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc View Post
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    ya i know it's not fasting per se but i appreciate how that sense of graze lightly till the evening feast got picked up as fasting. Of all the protocols tested it's not the one he used.

    If you PM me with those notes in a wee wee note i'll send them over and at least they'll have the info. or you can make a post to beradi or the pn site's facebook page yourself?

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    mc, I've just gotten onto facebook but still have no clue what to do with it. I've got _lots_ of RKC friends now, though. Please send me an email to steve at kbnj.com and we'll continue that way. Fasting is a common enough a mistake/misunderstanding on/of the WD, but if the pn folks are going to post a comparison like this, they ought to get it right. Please also offer to Mr. Berardi that he's welcomed to contact me directly and I'm happy to contribute my two-cents worth to his understanding of the WD approach.

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    Thanks for the link mc.

    The leangains protocol (rubbish name) is my favorite way toIF. I have heard it said that it is the ETK of diets…

    I know someone who didn’t like the description of thewarrior diet but loved the name, so adopted it.

    Whatever diet he follows is THE warrior diet. ;]

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    Everyone, I encourage you to go here

    http://www.precisionnutrition.com/in...ting/chapter-3

    and read my comments, and PN's relies.

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    Great stuff MC! I like Berardi and read his stuff in T-Nation as well. I play with intermittent fasting. Usually 1 or 2 times a week 2-3 weeks out of the month. The best day for me is always Monday after a weekend. The Lean Gains approach is fantastic but not realistic in that I have to work out in the morning vs. at 1:00. In my opinion its if you can control your diet, which is always the big key on non-fast days. Fast 24 hours once a week and watch your carb intake 100g especially in the afternoon on non-fast days.

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    That's a great back and forth!

    PN: Here is product X

    SF: That's not actually product X at all.

    PN: thanks for that, people interested in product X can go to the manufacturer's website and find out the real info.

    SF: Why don't you remove the wrong info?

    PN: here's the website, folks, if you want to check it out.

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