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    Spikeman1444 is offline Senior Member
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    Default Just curious with Warrior Diet

    So I've heard varying opinions on eating during the under eating phase. I wake up and I have a greek yogurt, an apple, whey protein shake and countless vitamins. I drink tons of water until lunch time. I then have some mixed berries and almonds and fresh baby carrots. I go home and normally have a salad, steamed veggies, some lean meat protein and if I feel like it some brown rice and kefir.

    So my questions are:
    1. Am I doing the diet properly?
    2. Should I be eating as much as I am during the day?
    3. How does my plan look?
    4. Last but not least, Will I get better results without eating during the day?

    Thank you, Spikeman1444

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeman1444 View Post
    I wake up and I have a greek yogurt, an apple, whey protein shake and countless vitamins. I drink tons of water until lunch time. I then have some mixed berries and almonds and fresh baby carrots. I go home and normally have a salad, steamed veggies, some lean meat protein and if I feel like it some brown rice and kefir.

    So my questions are:
    1. Am I doing the diet properly?
    2. Should I be eating as much as I am during the day?
    3. How does my plan look?
    4. Last but not least, Will I get better results without eating during the day?
    Comrade Spikeman1444, as always, the answer is, "It depends." It depends on several things - I will ask a few questions to see if we can tease this out for you.

    First and foremost, we need to know where you are in terms of strength and body composition and where you want to go to. Without knowing that, it's hard to say anything about diet. E.g., you're a competitive powerlifter looking to lower bodyfat, you're a 200 lb. rugby player looking to improve game endurance and drop 15 lbs., exactly what are you wanting to change and why?

    How much you eat during the day is highly personal. I will give you my own quirky example - I'm 56 years old and weigh 150 lbs, which means I shouldn't be exactly a calorie burning machine by most people's reckoning. But I have a mini-meal upon waking that's similar to yours almost every day because it's what works for my body - in my case, it's about 2-3 tablespoons of homemade almond butter with a handful of berries and a small banana (or half a big banana) mixed together in a bowl. I also have a pile of vitamins, coffee, and water.

    My midday eating is strictly by feel. Many days I'll have nothing until dinner, but at other times I'll have something small, e.g., a half a sandwich, especially if I've done a midday workout and find myself hungry afterwards, usually about 30-60 minutes afterwards.

    Generally, a good guideline for food intake during the undereating period is this - if you get "the sleepies" after whatever you've eaten, you've had too much. Another guideline - if you feel "pleasantly full" after you've eaten midday, you've also probably eaten too much. The role of food during the undereating period is two-fold: to help the body detox, and to "take the edge off" of hunger. You really don't want to feel full or have anything that feels like a meal midday - for me, things like carrots and bananas don't work midday - too much sugar in them. Same thing about berries and other fruit - if I have them midday, it has to be in very small quantity, and in small quantities, they can aid in detox so I wouldn't rule them out completely. Details matter, quantities matter, probably anything that adds up to more than about 250 calories at a shot isn't going to be good during the day.

    For me, my undereating period habits work - if I eat less, then I end up eating junk in the evening and put on body fat. But I've always had a fairly busy metabolism and my current plan keeps me wide awake all day without feeling like I'm "running on empty."

    Your question #4 is what prompts my question #1 - what does "better results" mean to you?

    Hope that helps.

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    Thank you for your response. I am a martial artist and looking to go into the United States Marine Corps. Better results for me would be become more toned, building muscle, and losing fat. I was thinking my sugar intake is a little to much midday.

    Thank you, Spikeman1444

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeman1444 View Post
    Thank you for your response. I am a martial artist and looking to go into the United States Marine Corps. Better results for me would be become more toned, building muscle, and losing fat. I was thinking my sugar intake is a little to much midday.

    Thank you, Spikeman1444
    As little sugar midday as possible is always best, although small quantities of it in foods that help with detoxification can work for some. Everyone's different, e.g., my wife will do fine with a glass of carrot juice midday but it's too much sugar for me.

    When you do your workout makes a difference, too - if it's not shortly before your dinner, then you need more during the day, otherwise, keep food during the day to a minimum.

    I've been following the WD for years, which doesn't make me an expert but at least makes me experienced - anything else, just holler.

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    I have done (according to me) a WD-approach for 2 years (or so?) now.
    I have done as the book says with fruits and nuts during the day, with a giganormous salad as precourse and then lots of meat and food in general in the evening, I felt strong and I felt it worked for me, I did not however lose any weight (i always vary between 68-73kg). This is what i did:
    0800 Wake up
    1100/1200 a cup of berries 125g with 250g cottage cheese, fruit/juice or nuts
    1400/1500 same as above
    1730-1900 training EAA before and after.
    1930 Salad
    2030 Meat and carbs/fat
    2300 quark of cottage cheese and berries if i felt i needed it.

    Now for the last few months I have changed things up, i now eat 5 days of High-Protein Fat (HPF) with <25g carbs a day and 2 days high carb.
    My daily eating is like this now:
    0830 2 cups of coffee
    1200 protein shake with 1dl full fat cream (on carb day it is 3dl milk and 30g protein)
    1500 another shake, 0.5-1dl cream, or a cup of coffee with 1/3 cream
    1730-1900 EAA before and after training.
    1930-22 Eat lots of vegetables and red meat, dripping of fat.

    This last try with a HPF-style is working way to good for me. You can see the difference there very clearly there. As Steve says, it depends... The only way is to try it and tweak it on how you feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrMushroom View Post
    I1930-22 Eat lots of vegetables and red meat, dripping of fat.
    That's beautiful. Seriously, though, I'm convinced that many, many go wrong simply by not getting enough fat in their diets. Of course, the man-made, hydrogenated kinds of fats are to be avoided, but the fats that occur naturally in meat, fish, and veggies like coconuts are really, really good for a body, IMHO.

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    Would you include avacado in that healthy fat category?

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    Not sure about the above poster, but avocado is the balls when it comes to fats. and you can whip it into lovely smooth guacamole and have it with anything really.

    Another good one is coconut. milk or flesh.

    You can make a beautiful avocado coconut whip which is lovely, full of protein, fat and fibre.

    mix one avocado in blender
    add seasoning little salt or paprika)
    add some of the thick part of coconut milk
    blend again

    there you go

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    This thread is great. I have been trying out WD, with varying success throughout the day. I am quite active, doing manual-labor, so I felt like I was not eating enough but didn't want to destroy the value of under-eat/gorge. Basically I had been too confused to eat o_O

    But some of the feedback above is really shedding a little light on my errors.
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