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    jbenton1 is offline Senior Member
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    Default Daily serving of red meat raises risk of cancer, heart disease


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    So... sick and tired of these bullsh*t studies. What a load of cr*p. Sorry to use bad language but it has to be said.

    Even the study admits it's only an observational study, not a controlled trial. So there are so many confounding factors as to leave the results almost meaningless.

    Can they really expect us to believe that a food (red meat) that mankind has eaten for hundreds of thousands of years is that cause of cancer? In fact, a food that enabled mankind to evolve to the dominent species (so to speak) on the planet, is bad for for us? Pull the other one! What a crock...
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    Too many variables to qualify as fact.
    What did the rest of those studied, diet and exercise, sleep, rest and stress look like.
    Were these mainly city dwellers or country people.
    Nonsense all round.
    Perhaps various governments, after deciding that the fake economy is gonna collapse any time now, have gotten together with produce and sugar corporations and in an effort to put a little cash back into the system, are producing nonsense studies and propaganda extolling the virtues of a primarily vegetarian diet, whist continuing to shovel sugar into "vegetarian" foods. This would of course put more money into the hands of the sugar companies that practically own everything anyway. But now they'd "own" even more and could finally buy out the governments (they've practically owned the U.S. and U.K. governments for decades anyway) and impose a capitalist slavery superstate.........
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    Why is red meat, and especially processed red meat, potentially harmful? In addition to the high saturated fat content, which can contribute to heart disease, charring red meat at high temperatures can produce carcinogens on the surface, >>> http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/health...S%3A+Health%29


    Quote Originally Posted by Pushers View Post
    So... sick and tired of these bullsh*t studies. What a load of cr*p. Sorry to use bad language but it has to be said.

    Even the study admits it's only an observational study, not a controlled trial. So there are so many confounding factors as to leave the results almost meaningless.

    Can they really expect us to believe that a food (red meat) that mankind has eaten for hundreds of thousands of years is that cause of cancer? In fact, a food that enabled mankind to evolve to the dominent species (so to speak) on the planet, is bad for for us? Pull the other one! What a crock...

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    You don't really still believe the old "high saturated fat leads to high cholesterol leads to heart disease" theory do you?! Any study recommending you trade in fresh meat for whole grains can be dismissed almost out of hand as rubbish! Considering humans have lived mainly off meat for 250/300,000 years and grains only for around 10,000 - which do you think is more likely to harm us..?

    And again, this study was not a controlled trial but simply an observational study. Observational studies are used to show what things should have further, clinical trials done on them. They do not show cause and effect in and by themselves. Again, there are too many confounding factors in these types of study. It MAY be the meat but it could be any number of other things. There is simply a potential link - not a definitive link. Just because A appears to cause B doesn't mean that it does.

    I could say that 100% of the people that get cancer sit for some period during the day. Therefore sitting causes cancer. Obviously that is completely rediculous by anyone's estimation but it demostrates the sort of leaps that are being made in these studies.

    This is exactly the sort of study that the media report because it makes for good headlines but once controlled, clinical studies are done the link they have reported falls apart (as in the case of saturated fat and cholesterol causing heart disease).

    The other thing I'd warn against is studies repeatedly banging on about risk. Risk of this, risk of that. In that study it says - "On average, each additional serving of red meat the participants ate per day was associated with a 13% higher risk of dying during the study." But what is the rate? Out of the 121,000 people that were in the study, 24,200 died (20% as it says) during the course of it. If 12,900 died eating more meat and 11,300 died eating less it doesn't sound that impressive but 13% more risk does!

    Anyway, I'm sure you get the picture...
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    I just got into an argument with some people about this exact study. And the major evidence I pulled from the study itself is this.
    ‎"Men and women with higher intake of red meat were less likely to be physically active and were more likely to be current smokers, to drink alcohol, and to have a higher body mass index (Table 1). In addition, a higher red meat intake was associated with a higher intake of total energy but lower intakes of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables."
    Basically the study only says that people who eat a lot of red meat also tend to be unhealthy, smoke, drink excessively, and don't eat fruit and vegetables. So of course it is the red meat that is killing them and not the lifestyle they choose to live.

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    I believe our ancestors stayed in a ketogenic state so they always burned up sat. fat before it accumulated. I will say this I found out my cholesterol was 273 in 2003. So I cut hamburgers and steaks out of my diet. Through diet and exercise I reduced it to 216 by 2009. In 2010 it went up to 222 after I introduced the McDonald's sausage biscuit as my morning breakfast. In 2011 after I had been eating an 8 ounce steak every two weeks for the past year I had my cholesterol checked again and it says my cholesterol was 247. So I don't agree sat. fat does not effect your cholesterol levels. I have since learning of this have quit eating steak and hamburgers again. I will see what my cholesterol is this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbenton1 View Post
    I believe our ancestors stayed in a ketogenic state so they always burned up sat. fat before it accumulated. I will say this I found out my cholesterol was 273 in 2003. So I cut hamburgers and steaks out of my diet. Through diet and exercise I reduced it to 216 by 2009. In 2010 it went up to 222 after I introduced the McDonald's sausage biscuit as my morning breakfast. In 2011 after I had been eating an 8 ounce steak every two weeks for the past year I had my cholesterol checked again and it says my cholesterol was 247. So I don't agree sat. fat does not effect your cholesterol levels. I have since learning of this have quit eating steak and hamburgers again. I will see what my cholesterol is this summer.
    sigh.... And those biscuits and buns and sauces and sugars and salt had nothing to do with your cholesterol levels? I find it very funny that you are talking about ketogenic diet and having McDonald's for breakfast.
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    MacDonald put sugar in everything. Sugar is pretty much the biggest poison there is.
    No, I don't mean the sugars present in fruits and vegetables, these are bound to fibre molecules etc and are a fantastic energy source for the body. Processed, refined sugar, of the type pumped into MacDonalds "food" is literally, a poison. It has been refined so much as to be devoid of all nutritional value.
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    Actually, I quit the sausage and biscuit about a year or more ago and now I am trying to weave myself off the egg mcmuffin, orange mango smoothie, and the chocolate sunday. Which is all I eat at McDonald's. That's better than some people. And I don't even drink/eat the last two almost at all.

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