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    Steve Freides is offline Senior Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWJ View Post
    Thanks for the help guys.
    One question about the WD. From what I understand its one meal a day supplemented with some whey protein, berries, and green veggies in between especially before and after working out. Does that mean that I need to hit my macros in one meal? So a 2000+ calorie feeding? I plan on getting the book next week but I am still wondering about that one meal.
    Just a note to say that some of us do the WD with no or little whey protein supplementation - depends on how big you are and what your goals are and whatever else. My typical day includes vitamin and mineral supplements but no protein shakes and only occasionally one of Ori's small protein bars if I'm hungry and can't to make food.
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    Default The Warrior Diet Book

    Every few months, I have the opportunity to recommend 'The Warrior Diet Fat Loss Program' e-book, over 'The Warrior Diet' book. It seems like this is that opportunity, again.

    The e-book, coupled with a few of Ori Hofmekler's recent posts, such as:

    http://defensenutrition.com/blog/201...out-nutrition/
    http://www.defensenutrition.com/arti...ld_you_eat.php
    http://defensenutrition.com/blog/201...-and-fat-loss/

    will provide a better basis for applying the Warrior Diet, than the text (in my opinion).

    When reading the articles, however, realize that Mr. Hofmekler is in the supplement business. Having used a number of his products, I acknowledge their quality and their effects. However, I also acknowledge their cost, and application. Be sure to keep Mr. Freides suggestion, regarding supplements and their purpose, in mind. The articles, interviews, and e-book should help in this area.

    Good luck with your nutritional program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Freides View Post
    Thoughts? Sure. It's what Ori's been saying for the last dozen years, and what I've been following for most of that time, and it works great for me, year in and year out. I am, at age 57, in the best shape of my life. I owe my good health to the Party-approved exercise and Warrior Diet-approved eating.

    I really can't overstate the benefits of the WD for me. There are many seeming paradoxes in the world of strength. For me, the eating paradox is that I felt terrible when I got hungry and I solved my problem by eating less often, not more often. The WD took away my addiction to frequent feeding, my addiction to carbs - it basically put me in touch with my body, and figuring out what to eat came naturally after forcing myself to break my old habits about when to eat.

    A big "like" to Ori's blog post from me.
    Yeah, Steve, you're an inspiration to many of us on the diet + exercise front. I remember when I first got on this forum several years ago, and you were doing the Warrior Diet. My first experience with the Warrior Diet was similar to yours: it got me back in touch with REAL food and broke the carbohydrate cravings. While I am not doing strict Warrior Diet now, I still practice partial fasting frequently.

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    The issue is that the Warrior Diet is a little bit dated but it still works. Ori has revised his methods via blog posts but the main premise is always the same. Ori's supplements do work but they are pricey. Steve has been doing the Warrior Diet before the Warrior Diet became popular I think? In my opinion no other diet gets our body back to the way it was supposed to be better than the Warrior Diet.

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    So I got the e-book a few days ago and have read it. Pretty easy reading for the most part although I did skim over a lot of the Roman Warrior mumbo jumbo...lol. I will give this a try for a few weeks and see how I like it. I am a little skeptical of eating way less calories than what I am used to but am willing to give it a shot. The though of being able to munch on berries or a salad or nuts during the fast is very appealing however.

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    The Roman Warrior mumbo jumbo is great! It's definitely a change from eating multiple meals per day. If you want a book on the science behind the Warrior Diet, there's Maximum Muscle Minimum Fat. It's a really in depth book. Under-Eating makes me personally feel great, not deprived and always ready to work. I'm looking forward to hearing how it works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeman1444 View Post
    The issue is that the Warrior Diet is a little bit dated but it still works. Ori has revised his methods via blog posts but the main premise is always the same. Ori's supplements do work but they are pricey. Steve has been doing the Warrior Diet before the Warrior Diet became popular I think? In my opinion no other diet gets our body back to the way it was supposed to be better than the Warrior Diet.
    If the main premise is the same then, IMHO, the book isn't outdated - dated, perhaps, but not outdated.

    I bought the book when DragonDoor was still publishing it, actually pretty soon after that, I think. I've certainly been doing it since before IF in its various forms was considered credible.

    My own history with this is part of what led me to buy the book in the first place. A long time ago - the summer of 1982, to be exact - found me 20 lbs. overweight, basically about 4 inches too big a pants size. Although this is _long_ before I'd ever heard of the WD, I decided to try almost exactly the same approach on my own - I just ate dinner every day, eating my fill including sweets if I wanted them, and I lost 20 lbs. in 2 months. So when, in my mid-40's, I heard about the book and the approach, I had a pretty good sense it would work for me again.

    One can call the Roman Warrior stuff mumbo jumbo, but the idea of being "lean and mean" during the day is a great one, whatever you think that the history of it might be.

    I'll also add that I do take some vitamin and mineral supplements, just not much in the way of protein. I've found, particularly since I don't take in that many calories in total at my age and size, a few vitamins and minerals can make me feel better. My wife and I both take Ori's EstroX every day, and I take both his probiotic and Dragon Door's - I feel like mixing two probiotics is a fine idea. Other than that, I also take vitamin D and a multi-vitamin I get at Trader Joe's, and extra potassium since I've found I get muscle cramps much more easily without it.
    -S-

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWJ View Post
    ... I am a little skeptical of eating way less calories than what I am used to ...
    That's not what the WD recommends / requires. It recommends changing the timing of your calorie intake, not necessarily the total caloric intake.

    While you will find you probably ingest less total calories (even with eating to saity) you don't need to do this for most uses of the diet.
    Be well ... Lee.

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    What I get from it all is 1. if your fine with nothing all day great, if not "snack" abit on greens, berries, or whey. 2. If your a couch potato or desk jockey, you probably don't need anything all day. But, if you're like some of us and bust your ass all day (for instance, yesterday I had to toss a ton of steel off my truck, in addition to piling stones, sills, and steel) it wouldn't hurt to have some "snacks".

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    I did the Warrior Diet pattern of eating & noticed results right off the bat. It supposedly was the way Alexander and his army did things, as well. Alexander thought it was best to have a hard march during the day, have a light lunch to replenish yourself, then a big dinner at night. So, yeah, it's a little bit dated, LOL. It seems the Indians did this, as well. I was reading about the Apache, and in the story a kid was being told to only eat enough to keep your strength up during the day, because eating too big a meal would make you slow & sluggish. If you eat the big meal at night, the darkness can hide you- so you may not really need to be that quick if enemies came up. I think this was his mother giving advice on being on watch- but it would work if you were just by yourself (maybe in enemy territory). There was something about the Tarahumara in that Born to Run book like that. Something to the effect of always being able to run at a moment's notice & not be weighed down.

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