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    Spikeman1444 is offline Senior Member
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    Little nuances of his nutrition does change constantly. In the Warrior Diet he recommends protein with carbs. In Unlock Your Muscle Gene he says no carbs with the protein. He also states in Unlock Your Muscle Gene that having blueberries and whey protein shake is a superb way to start your day but in his most recent blog post states that you should not mix blueberries and whey except for pre-workout. I guess research is constantly evolving?

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    I like to think that the most important thing is eating well (whole foods, organic, minimally processed, etc.), followed by the timing of your eating (WD or some sort of IF), and that how you combine foods is relatively unimportant.

    I have no idea if there is any science to support the above hierarchy but it's how I approach eating. Eating good food and in a cyclic manner - those seem the most important things to me.
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    It's worked for me When I stumbled upon the Warrior Diet about a year and a half ago in my senior year of high school, I was very skeptical. Now that I eat this way, I'm never turning back. My joint pain went away, I felt great and got a better body both physically and mentally in the process. There's something very special to what Ori has been doing. Also I would like to thank you Steve for how much you contribute to the public forums, it's a huge help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeman1444 View Post
    It's worked for me When I stumbled upon the Warrior Diet about a year and a half ago in my senior year of high school, I was very skeptical. Now that I eat this way, I'm never turning back. My joint pain went away, I felt great and got a better body both physically and mentally in the process. There's something very special to what Ori has been doing. Also I would like to thank you Steve for how much you contribute to the public forums, it's a huge help.
    Thanks for taking the time to say that - always appreciated, and glad it's been of some help to you.
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    Love Ori's blog and just finishing his Unlock your muscle gene book which is excellent.

    Personally been on the Warrior Diet for a month (and already a big convert), as part of wanting to loose some weight for the Tactical strength challenge (To help with the Pull ups part), target of loosing a stone and half in 6 weeks.

    Found that first week was hard to give up my eggs for breakfast and delay first feed of the day (now have a shake with berries at 9.30 before training at 10.30am), but my body soon adjusted and as long as I have coffee I am good. (black of course)

    Initial weight loss effects were, lost 11lbs in the first 2 weeks.
    Still loosing 2.5lbs a week.

    Observations have been:
    Find it hard to eat huge amounts in the evening as my stomach has shrunk, but eat till I am full during my main meal and then have smaller snack (of yoghurt and nuts) before bed.
    Have started to take the weekend off, and whilst still eating clean, allow small treats - love ice cream ) - helps me psychologically to stay on it, though haven't found it too hard to stick.
    During the day, I have pre (with berries) and post workout protein shakes, and a small salad with eggs early pm (really helps with any afternoon the hunger).

    Discovered Pinksun (UK distributor I think of Warrior diet organic whey protein) who do a great whey product, no longer have the chemical taste and is actually nice. Just ordered organic raw cacao powder to try as a flavouring and for its antioxidant qualities - dont know if anyone else has tried this?

    Plan is to stay on it, but am worried how long the weight loss will continue as once I hit my target weight, should be about 8% bodyfat, and that is as low as I want to get, as don't want to start loosing muscle. Has anyone experience of longer term effects of the above?

    Richard

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    No problem Steve. I've been thinking about giving the Paleo Diet a whirl even though I absolutely love the Warrior Diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdnyceguy View Post
    Every few months, I have the opportunity to recommend 'The Warrior Diet Fat Loss Program' e-book, over 'The Warrior Diet' book. It seems like this is that opportunity, again.

    The e-book, coupled with a few of Ori Hofmekler's recent posts, such as:

    http://<b>http://defensenutrition.co...nutrition</b>/
    http://www.defensenutrition.com/arti...ld_you_eat.php
    http://defensenutrition.com/blog/201...-and-fat-loss/

    will provide a better basis for applying the Warrior Diet, than the text (in my opinion).

    When reading the articles, however, realize that Mr. Hofmekler is in the supplement business. Having used a number of his products, I acknowledge their quality and their effects. However, I also acknowledge their cost, and application. Be sure to keep Mr. Freides suggestion, regarding supplements and their purpose, in mind. The articles, interviews, and e-book should help in this area.

    Good luck with your nutritional program.
    I feel like that's an insane amount of protein. I've posted about this before, Ori said pulse feeding was most anabolic in his other books but now he's telling you to take 120 grams of protein in two feedings? ridiculous! Any thoughts? In Maximum Muscle Minimum Fat he says you should take only 10 to 30 grams of whey protein post workout and then pulse 20 grams of whey every 2 hours. He says the same thing in Unlock Your Muscle Gene. In Unlock he also says your allowed to combine berries and whey but in his most recent blog post he says don't.

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    In exercise circles, an "insane amount of protein" is subjective at best.

    As with choosing exercises, however, the amount and timing of protein seems to be dependent upon the goals. Within the first article, the protein amount and addition or omission of carbs seems to be dependent upon performance and fat loss goals. Furthermore, though less clear, the amount of protein recommended changes, or isn't quite as 'insane' as you've described.

    Within the text, Ori recommends two servings of 40-60 grams of protein. Which can also mean 80 grams in two servings, the equivalent of a 12.5 oz can of tuna (not so insane). However, at the conclusion of the text, being a purveyor of whey protein, he recommends 3 'scoops' of his warrior whey (30g-45g of protein), which would be 60g-90g in two servings.

    As you've indicated, the recommendations may seem inconsistent, but so are the goals. Fat loss, muscle gain, and performance all entail different nutritional strategies. With this in mind, the articles, the texts, and the blog contain a large amount of information, addressing a variety of applications.

    Of course, I'm not a nutritionist or a dietician! (Not by a long shot.) However, my experience, application, and frustration with the various Warrior Diet-ing approaches, for several years, incited this response.

    Hopefully, this clarification has been helpful to some. Sorry if it has confused others...

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    Thank you for the response fdnyceguy. I've followed your posts over at the Defense Nutrition forum, I wish was more active. I guess it just confuses me sometimes, I understand research changes. I'm the sort of person that needs to know what and how to do.

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    Not a problem Spikeman, like you I like to have a program (exercise, nutrition, whatever!!!) spelled out as clearly as possible.

    Sadly, the Warrior Diet text doesn't provide that template*. By adding the other books, articles, and blogs, confusion is inevitable. Along with experience and application, I did list frustration in my response.

    Happily, the advice for exercise and nutrition is pretty consistent. Start with the goal in mind, and do the necessary steps towards achieving them. The materials that followed the Warrior Diet text provide approaches towards more specific nutritional and training goals.

    As an added benefit, Ori Hofmekler seems to be a bit more involved with the Defense Nutrition Forum lately, that may increase participation. However, technical issues may hinder the site from really expanding. Hoping for the best, I participate when I can.

    * (Here's where I would usually recommend reading the Warrior Diet Fat Loss Program E-book for the best explanation of the Warrior Diet text's application.)

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