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Thread: Warrior Diet Contradictions

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    eeworarduneewor is offline Junior Member
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    Angry Warrior Diet Contradictions

    So I read this:
    The Truth About Post-Workout Nutrition | Chad Waterbury | Workouts To Get Ripped, Ab Exercises For Men, Weight Training For Women

    and The Warrior Diet book

    and this:
    Waterbury Diet for Muscle Growth | Chad Waterbury | Workouts To Get Ripped, Ab Exercises For Men, Weight Training For Women

    And I know these are slightly different things, but it seems that Chad Waterbury is very much using the Warrior Diet principles. But there is confusing science and information contradictions going on.

    In WD book, it says its best to eat a recovery meal straight after working out, because of protein synthesis and for replenishing stores.

    But in an interview with Ori Hofmekler in the first article, mentioned above, he says that carbs after workout is not nessesary, but in the book and in the chad waterbury's diet for muscle growth they use low GI carbs straight after working out.

    Also there is another article (Here on T-nation) which has nothing to do with warrior diet, but explores post-workout nutrition which contradicts this hypothesis even further.



    What do you guys think about post workout nutrition? people on the warrior diet and those not.

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    I seem to remember research showing an increase in Growth Hormone and Testosterone (in men) if you postpone eating after you train. Which are both desirable.

    Brad Pilon of Eat-stop-eat fame believes that it is a myth about the post workout nutrition thing. I think Brads thinking was that your body actually improved sensitivity/absorption by not eating straight away, ie built up a sort of latent demand for protein. And in fact there was no difference in muscle mass regardless of eating straight after or leaving it a while.
    Here are a couple of his blogs:
    Post Workout Protein Dare | Brad Pilon's 'Eat Blog Eat'
    More Protein, More Muscle? | Brad Pilon's 'Eat Blog Eat'

    My own experience, is 2 fold. Firstly it is easier training fasted. Secondly, continuing to fast afterwards has had no negative effects on recovery or muscle mass, and actually seems to burn more fat (Growth hormone effect maybe).

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    The last thing I heard about Ori's current thoughts are to eat an39 mins to an hour after training. Also find what works for you

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    One thing I've got to say is a good thing is not "coddling yourself" after a workout, don't just sit down right away or go to sleep. Doesn't really seem to have a good effect when things lined up like that with me.

    As for the Warrior Diet, I've done it & still try to- it works well. I'd say you don't really need to eat right after a workout & probably shouldn't make an immediate thing out of it, anyway (generating a pattern of eating right after exertion might be an issue if you've got to exert yourself out in the regular world- you might not have a meal available right after & it might cause a bit more of a hardship than you've already got).

    A major problem is that men exercising for size/shape/definition/whatever might clash with what works out well for bodily functioning. The diet, for instnace, may generate some bulk as well as screw up your circulation. Maybe an excess of this or knocking that out of balance, maybe one thing keeps another from absorbing or lets something else absorb too much. I'd steer toward functional performance & then just look how you look (it probably won't be flimsy, anyway).

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    I suppose I just got confused coz Ori has contradicted himself a lot.. like here Defense Nutrition - Warrior Diet - THE TOP TEN DIET FALLACIES (scroll down a bit to Timing of Meals. He recommends eating 30g of protein withing 30minutes of training. which obviously contradicts the other things he has said.

    Also another thing that confuses me is the overeating and undereating window.

    He says is not 16-18 hours including sleep it 16-18 hours PLUS sleep.. but thats more than 24 hours so wouldn't that be constant fasting?

    see what I mean here: Defense Nutrition - Warrior Diet - WARRIOR DIET FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

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    Only if you figure it's 8 hours of sleeps added to 18 hours awake. I think it's implied that your sleep would be shorter at that point. Either way, I don't think people actually need 8 hours, much less 10.

    I think a lot of it has to do with the quality of sleep you get. I get a much better sleep in the woods (and it's in less time). Even if I just shut the T.V. off before I go to bed, I notice a difference.

    Exercise seems to have something to do with it. Maybe being in better condition allows for a more efficient recooperative process while sleeping? Maybe not being so worn down in the first place? Something to do with brain chemicals getting balanced or produced better?

    I think it's got something to do with the first two, but I've noticed the lifestyle that some people lead is a bit off-kilter (not to say it's of their choosing, but there ARE a bunch of things that cause problems & the more that continues the worse the cumulative effect will be). Food & water that are basically contaminated & are in higher amounts than would be a good idea anyway, overbearing workload, probably electronics are having an effect due to the pervasiveness of use (frequencies & radiation, maybe other things).

    Constant stress from various sources is another thing. Being overworked as one thing, but that work not getting you anywhere, whatever you're looking for being cut out from under you, constantly bottling things up due to political correctness or not being able to have more than a surface-level conversation (a big part of why people snap, by-the-way). Another major point is assaultive things being aimed at you or your kids (or the threat of it). I know this is a bit of a rant, but I figure it's worth elaborating of some things instead of just using "stress" as a buzz word.

    I'd also add in constantly having extra steps to doing anything instead of just doing it (you always need permission/certification/licenses/etc...). Having the time & funds are a bit of a "maybe" & tend to depend of someone else bestowing these things. Another one that gets a bit psychological is approval: maybe that just means it not being seen as crazy, but it can also be that someone might just look at what you're doing, not want to be doing it themselves & feel pushed around vicariously. They size up someone else's life like a car they may or may not want to drive.

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    From my consultations with Ori. He generally prescribes 30 grams of quality whey 30 min pwo and another 30 grams an hour later. IF you're looking to build muscle apply the two 30 grams of protein and then every two hours afterwards apply 20 gram whey protein meals. This is called pulse feeding to maximize muscle gain while minimizing digestive load, so you can remain in SNS mode. If you train in the afternoon or evening I would have one pwo meal 30 min afterwards and then hit up dinner. To address the issue of 18 hours. Ori is counting the average digestive time of the previous night's meal. The average meal can take up to 10 hours to fully digest depending on the meals composition. Overall just follow your instincts, they're there but may need some unearthing. Nothing about the WD is set in stone, everyone is different, it's a template to base your eating. Ori is very active on Facebook now, just go to www.warriordiet.com and click on the FB icon.
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