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    GeoffreyLevens is offline Senior Member
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    Default Taking BCAA's with food?

    Any documented reason to take BCCA's by themselves? Why not with immediate post-workout meal?

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    The quick and simple answer is that we don't know because there is insufficient research into BCAAs as a category, so it'll be harder to answer an in-depth question.

    Here is examine.com's summary literature on it: https://examine.com/supplements/bran...n-amino-acids/

    Here are some common sources of BCAAs: Ask The Macro Manager: What Are The Best BCAA Food Sources?

    From the generally accepted idea of BCAA's is that if you eat meat, you're probably getting sufficient BCAA from your food sources.

    I have heard of BCAA's being suggested on calorie deficit diets, or during fasts. I presume it provides the body with essential amino acids during a period where it's not getting enough of them.

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    Thanks CC, great info! Particularly

    The quick and simple answer is that we don't know because there is insufficient research into BCAAs as a category, so it'll be harder to answer an in-depth question.
    I very rarely eat anything from any phyla other than plants though lately have started taking gelatin (100% grass fed/finished organic cattle sourced) to try to extend the life of my decrepit knees. Too soon to tell if it is helping but no reason not to. Not the greatest protein source for building strength or size, I guess whey generally considered to be that, but I have other concerns like the methionine, IGF-1, TOR enzyme etc cancer risk. Have friend on therapeutic keto diet for brain cancer (3 1/2 years post surgery for baseball sized highly aggressive, metastatic tumor--so far just insanely healthy with no other treatment really) and one of the many variables she monitors is IGF-1, keeping it low but not too low. It seems most all of these things, there is a Goldilocks sweet spot of just right.

    Thanks again

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    Ok, this is in the realm of medical science, and something I would be woefully inept in any proficiency.

    That said... knees & nutrition... have you read Weston A Price's Nutrition & Physical Degeneration? I hear good things about how his watershed text is good for adjusting your nutrition and diet.

    IMHO, supplements are the tail-end of nutrition. I've seen greater improvement in my strength and physique by just changing my whole-foods diet instead of trying fancy new supplements. Now i'm not able to provide any advice when it comes to a vegetarian or vegan diet, but unless you need BCAAs, I'd say shelve them. My views towards a plant diet aside, it seems that many vegetarians survive on a plant diet, and there are the outliers which seem to thrive on it. So; are BCAAs needed, looks like no for the general public.

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    ComradeCat, I have been eating whole foods only for many years, mostly vegan, very occasional small servings of 100% grass fed/finished elk or buffalo from local ranch. I have read Price's book and think his work has been badly distorted by the foundation that is now using his name. All the groups of indigenous people he visited (except Inuit and Masai) were in fact eating mostly plants and relatively small amounts of wild game meat, not the very high fat diet promoted by the foundation. I decided to nix the BCCA's due to their tendency to bump up IGF-1 which though it does promote muscle growth, also can just as easily promote cancer growth. Too little IGF-1 and you run into problems but up to that fairly low level, the less the better for living long and healthy. I gladly trade that for bulking up

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffreyLevens View Post
    ComradeCat, I have been eating whole foods only for many years, mostly vegan, very occasional small servings of 100% grass fed/finished elk or buffalo from local ranch. I have read Price's book and think his work has been badly distorted by the foundation that is now using his name. All the groups of indigenous people he visited (except Inuit and Masai) were in fact eating mostly plants and relatively small amounts of wild game meat, not the very high fat diet promoted by the foundation. I decided to nix the BCCA's due to their tendency to bump up IGF-1 which though it does promote muscle growth, also can just as easily promote cancer growth. Too little IGF-1 and you run into problems but up to that fairly low level, the less the better for living long and healthy. I gladly trade that for bulking up
    Well; looks like you pretty much have your answer. My personal experience is what works for you, works for you, regardless of what a white paper might say.

    Scientific evidence is useful in providing a clear direction if you have none, but if you have settled into something which works well for you and has no negative medical consequences, I don't see why you shouldn't carry on.

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    White papers are lacking if fiber! Go with the brown paper...

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