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    Vich is offline Senior Member
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    Default NHE counter arguments - opinions?

    I recommended the book to someone who publishes his own workout/nutrition
    book which is standard bodybuilding fare (every set to failure, carb load
    with simple carbs pre and post workout, as little fat as possible, etc.). This
    was his reply, to which I'd like to hear some feedback from those who have
    read the book and have been doing the eating plan for a while.
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    I nearly finished the book, and my basic view is this -- he states in
    the book (I don't recall what page) that the Japanese have the longest life
    spans as a group, and in a footnote relates this statistic to their
    diet routines. As far as I know, the Japanese diet contains daily
    carbohydrate intake in the form of rice and vegetables, as well as fish. If I were
    to apply a protein/carb ratio to their diet routines, I would assume it
    would approximately equal 80/20 carb to protein due to the large amounts of
    rice in relation to fish. While they have a very high life span, they also
    have high body fat percentages, and this is related to the high level of
    carbs in relation to protein. If you were to take their basic diet (carb/protein
    focused) and add some protein/remove carbs to further control insulin
    (to the 60/40 carb to protein levels I recommend) and add regular exercise
    (which is not part of their culture), body fat levels would decline,
    and they would maintain their long lifespans. The author makes many
    connections in his book to arrive at his theory, but does not make the most obvious
    connection of all, which is to analyze the diet of those that have the
    longest lifespan as a group (Japanese) in relation to his
    recommendations. Doing so leads one to believe that he needs to modify his theory in
    accordance to their dietary focus, rather than vice versa.

    All-in-all, an interesting read, and some good fats in the diet (olive
    oil being primary) will help cholesterol and hormone levels no doubt (in
    moderate quantities). In addition, artificial sugars (sodas, fat free
    desserts, etc) do increase the risk of digestive cancers, and a natural
    dietary focus is best. Yet, it's amazing how he has one small footnote
    stating the obvious -- the Japanese diet IS the most healthy, and it is
    much closer to my recommendations than his.

    Be careful with such a radical diet strategy -- long term health risk
    when one plays with fat is a true concern. An older friend of mine (in his
    60's) nearly died when switching from the Atkins to a normal carbohydrate
    based diet due to the radical change in macronutrients (which is exactly what
    one does when restricting carbs for several days, and loading on carbs
    during a final meal).

    Anyway, best of luck, and stay with ONE program -- mental focus and
    consistency with ALL recommended elements is necessary to truly
    evaluate the effectiveness of a particular routine.

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    It is interesting that this expert zeroed in on one part of the book. I don't recall Faigin being so emphatic about the benefits of the Japanese diet, although he did say they were doing alot of things right. I would guess that this gentleman did not READ the entire book.

    For the sake of argument, suppose that Faigin was completely wrong about the Japanese diet, and even the diet of prehistoric man. That still does not references and arguments he compiled to support his arguments. There is scientific evidence about the hormonal response to different macronutrients.

    Just a guess, but Faigin's book is such a radical departure from the status quo, that it would be extremely inconvenient for this bodybuilding author to absorb and digest an entirely new strategy that is opposite to his published view. I am not attempting to discredit this person or claim his is dishonest. It is just difficult for humans to quickly adopt radically different points of view.

    Mark

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    Default Re: Re: NHE counter arguments - opinions? Long

    Lets not forget the real pioneers of this eating approach. Dr. Atkins and Dr. Sears have advocating this plan for over 2 decades and they base it on even earlier research and successes. And while I follow a version of NHE I think people should really read these other books. No disrespect to Faigin, but stuff like his Metabolic Shift are pretty much identical to Atkins' Introduction Diet, but shorter. Im studying to be a Dietician so Ive taken it upon myself to read all of these books and examine all the pluses and minuses. You still need to be objective and examine all sides, even though Im finding that high-carb advocates are standing on a sinking ship.

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    Default Re: Re: Re: NHE counter arguments - opinions? Long

    Another good reference is "Protein Power" by Dr's Dan and Mary Eagan.

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    Clarence Bass is not a proponent of this type of dieting. I haven't read
    any of his "Ripped" series yet.

    Vic

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    Default Re: Re: Re: NHE counter arguments - opinions? Long

    i agree with comrade Dano. read several books (i feel that Barry Sears is very much on the right track)(you may also want to research the mediterranian diet). i have tried several eating methods and although i am genetically lean, a high carb diet will make you fat: particularly sugar loaded sports drinks!
    basically,the closer you stay to natural foods and proper food combining, the better off you will be. that's my two cents, for what its worth...

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    Default Re: NHE counter arguments - opinions?

    Rice tastes like **** and I ain't eating it. Funny how all the foods NHE says to eat are the best tasting ones. Case closed.

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    Default Re: NHE counter arguments - opinions?

    Forgot to mention the Japanese eat LARGE quantities of Bean Meal (soy curd, tofu) fish and vegetables in relation to rice. Sounds like they were in the ZONE. Instead of arguing (not that we were) lets just copy them in regards to fish, veggies and soy.

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