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    prana is offline Senior Member
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    Default I already did....

    I weighed 165 in college. I've weighed 188 at 8%. I can not weigh 220 at 8%. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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    Default Rock had surgery a few years ago for bitch tits

    Using either juice or hgh.....

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    Default Re: Rock had surgery a few years ago for bitch tits

    you got this info where?

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    Default Have you ever attempted to be 220 at 8% BF?

    If you have not seriously taken the time to get up to that weight and down to 8%BF I don't believe you can accurately say that you could not be those proportions.

    Buddhist monks can raise their body temperature 18 degrees...I think you can be 220 and 8% BF.

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    Default Aaron

    After 20 years of studtying Zen and strength and conditioning trust me, I've seen what your reading about. I have indeed done heavy programs, lot's of protien and food -not low-carb, on the same equipment that is used in the NFL. I had access to Dr. Ken and Gary Jones, founder of Hammer. Buddy - your wrong. At 6'1" with a 30 inch waist, 43 years old, and the srtength to snatch a 95lb KB I can not put on 30lbs of muscle. If I killed myself, 10lbs of muscle and 15 lbs of fat - sure, not interested. I have never been above 190 before the fat to muscle ratio begen to grow. If you think everyone can get as big and lean as they want - your dreaming.

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    Default Re: Rock had surgery a few years ago for bitch tits

    All,

    I've actually heard that too. There was a period where he wrestled w/ a tight fitting muschle shirt, that's the reason why. This was probably 5-6 years ago. My understanding is that "bitch tits" is common among men of Samoan descent, which he is. Of course, being a former division 1 FB d-lineman, wouldn't surprise me at all if it was b/c of 'roids.

    Jim

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    Default Re: Prana, Mirror or No Mirror?

    Prana,

    Is your 20 years of Zen studying acquired via zafu and zabuton or reading? I ask because if you were able to find a sensei to just sit for 20 years you were more fruitful than I. I gave up on Zen in America and gave Vipassana a try, a little more "organized" than Zen (granted I never made the trip to China or Japan). None the less I cannot, or shall I say I will never be able to, extinguish the concept of mind, body and, the point of conflict, soul. And my ego follows me like a shadow wherever I go.

    LD

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    Default More vipassana into moving practice...

    I sat quite a bit in college but not a good fit. Many of the more serious Ashtangis I knew were very involved in vipassana, i like the flexilbility, intent wise. Doing the series when it's 90 out certainly aids in melting the mind/body thing.

    I don't buy that going to Japan gets you anywhere, but I am presently a little anti the whole thing as my best friend, a gentle, top notch yoga instructor recently traveled to Japan with his Japenese fiance where her mother refused to sit at the table with the Barbarian and hasn't talked to her daughter in months.

    If you could say zen influenced by Krishnamurti's admonishins regarding dogma, and Zen's itself, (If you meet the Buddha on the road....) you will have a good idea where I have ended up. I try to re-read "he unfettered mind" pretty often to prevent getting bogged down.

    I have found that zen, as filtered through the martial arts, gives me the Gestalt. For me, the zafu is not Zen - it's just a cushion.

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    Default Hit it on the head....

    and all i was trying to say. There's a weight that you can get to, that's your big, lean and strong fighting weight. Beyond that you just don't feel as good. I assume that people on this forum are probably not just dogging it and complaining, so they should keep working hard but not be frustrated and fatten themselves up trying to put on 20lbs of muscle that doesn't "fit".

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    Default The zafu is a cushion and the zabuton is a mat, agreed...

    and if the fire goes out they are both kindling. I was just using the form to accentuate the form. I kind of take Alan Watts type view on zen. to me the beat zen exists in the U.S. predominately, with the square zen residing in Japan predominately, and Zen resides the the formlessness of exhausting either path. Thought I'd share my re-read with you.

    Too lazy to be ambitious,
    I let the world take care of itself.
    Ten days' worth of rice in my bag;
    a bundle of twigs by the fireplace.
    Why chatter about delusion and enlightenment?
    Listening to the night rain on my roof,
    I sit comfortably, with both legs stretched out.

    -- Ryokan

    LD

    PS Dogen = Gestalt^2

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