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    Will S is offline Senior Member
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    Default "Oh, Im not eating this week" - [longish]

    This is a comment a class-member made today as we went for Lunch. And im really concerned.

    6-7 Posts down under "Costs of Consumption", the topic started to waver into other people's eating habits, and people not understanding proper diet systems.

    She, and many of the people in class cling onto that the -volume- of what you eat is the deciding factor in weight gain/loss, and i have been trying to convinced them over the year [weight is such an obsessed topic - comes up all the time] that is isn't so [directly].

    No one will take me seriously as i "Am blessed as i must have a freakishly fast metobolism" or "What your saying goes against ! You cant be right!". Compared to others, I eat heaps [Like many here] - I now have the nickname "Machine" because of my eating habits.

    I tried to explain calories to them, but they wont take me seriously as.. well.. I made a stance at the start of the year AGAINST them. What happened -

    Noticed someone righting out a huge list of numbers, and crunching a calculator, and i asked what they were doing. "Oh, Counting what i have eaten this week". After noticing items on the list like 'Doritos' and '3xCans of Coke' i made some advice of, "Counting calories is crap - Just eat real food. Living by numbers is no fun. Get rid of the Coke and Chips. Put a steak on your plate." Now, I might add i dont "Believe" in counting calories - I admit it does work. BUT i dont reccomend it as it is Tedious, Time Consuming, and Not sustainable in a social arena.

    Now, Because of that statement made previously Im 'changing my opinion' so, i 'cant be trusted' - which is odd; as i dont see what i gain by deceving them...

    How do I go about convincing people to Sit-down and have a decent meal?

    I am getting worried about the health of quite a few people. And there are also other VERY serious issues arising [Not eating + running 5+ hours a day, for example.]


    I am at a complete loss here.


    Any - Absolutely ANY - tips?

    Thanks in Advance,

    Will S

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    belaglazov is offline Senior Member
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    Default who cares

    Why do you care what they think

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    rock_ten is offline Senior Member
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    Default werd

    I agree with belaglazov really. Even though i myself complained about shit like this.

    Theres no way to convey everything youve read and experienced about nutrition in a short conversation. In most situations you have literally a few seconds to make your point before people move onto another topic.

    just leave everyone to eat how they like

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    J Wissing RKC is offline Senior Member
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    Default Unfortunately have to agree with Rock

    I used to preach about this to friends and family as well, with very little results: It took two years of harping to get my parents to stop drinking soda. My best friend thought I was a nut job when I stopped eating breads and fast food... most people will just start screaming about the wonderful food pyramid we've all grown up with. Nutrition is like religion in the sense that there are some people who will be open to listen to what you have to say, but most of the time people are so set and sick of hearing about what is good or bad for them (which changes all the time in the media anyhow, making the matter worse) that any mention of nutrition gets a roll of the eyes and a sigh of disgust. Working in a hospital really has shown me how misguided and in dire straits some individuals are. Even "sentinel events", such as a heart attack, disease, or stroke, might not be enough to get people to change their habits.

    My best advice is to be an example. The ones you might be able to reach will come to you and ask questions about what you are eating, why you don't eat certain foods, etc., and through that, you can spark interest in change. The ones who don't ask probably would never have listened to you in the first place.

    It's frustrating, but you only have control over one person; the rest need to learn to help themselves.

    Hope I could help,
    Jim

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    Default Weak

    How do I go about convincing people to Sit-down and have a decent meal?

    You don't. You can't. They don't want to hear it, and if you are fit they don't want to hear it particularly from you.

    Wanting to convince them because you're worried about their health is nonsense. People live longer than ever eating crappier food.

    Sooner or later, they'll get sick of what they're doing and do something else. Or they won't. But you will have no effect on them, so bothering is pointless.

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    Default Weak

    Second that.

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    Will S is offline Senior Member
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    Default In Response to Responses.

    I understand your points, I actually agree with not convincing someone to eat a -particular way- .

    BUT

    What i am concerned about is NOT EATING.

    I dont think anyone would agree NOT EATING AT ALL - STARVATION - NIL - ZILTCH is good.

    THAT was my main concern. People manage fine and well on unbalanced diets, but there is bad, and there is down-right Dangerous/stupid.


    Will S

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    amg455 is offline Senior Member
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    Default Alas, it doesn't matter

    Yeah, but who actually f&*%ing cares? That is the point we were all trying to make. If they want to mess up their health and their lives, then let 'em. The only way it affects me is through health care cost increases and taxes to take care of their fat worthless asses. But, again, you can't make them change so don't even bother trying. Read Troy's message again. Makes the most logical sense.

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    Taking Cattle is offline Senior Member
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    Default if they were really serious

    you wouldn't have to try to tell them much.

    The short of it is this: you're hanging out with unhealthy (mentally, emotionally, physical) people who are carving out a social niche for themselves by banding together with calorie counting, extreme eating measures (which are actually more difficult than eating healthily) and bemoaning the woes of weight management.

    It's not about weight loss. Weight loss would be nice, but that's not really what these people are about. And too much weight loss wouldn't be nice, because then they'd have separated themselves from the group. It might gain them membership in another clique, though.

    Anyways, long story short: if you want to be friends with them, swallow your discomfort at their social mores and realize that you'll have to adopt some of their whiny, all-my-effort-is-for-naught habits.

    I'd just meet some other people, though.

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    Taking Cattle is offline Senior Member
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    Default man, the irony is killing me

    we understand your points, I actually understand the urge to help someone realize a difficult goal

    BUT

    What we are concerned about is FUTILITY.

    Nobody has agreed that WELL-MEANING ADVICE - MEDDLING - SUGGESTIONS - ENCOURAGEMENT is the way to go with these people when you end up making frustrated posts on the Internet.

    "THAT was my main concern. People manage fine and well on unbalanced diets, but there is bad, and there is down-right Dangerous/stupid."

    You have no obligation to try to save these people from themselves. Do you know the mountain of emotional and cognitive distortions you would have to overcome to get these people to eat a vegetable? All you are doing is getting very frustrated with your assumed messianic role.

    You're not going to save these people and the more you try the more you'll push them away. Take care of yourself and the people you can help will come to you.

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