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Do you know The natural frequency and range of motion for the kettlebell swing?

ashatage

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As per Research done on the American kettlebell swing concluded that it is 85 %more effective than the Russian swing. The Russian swing has a natural frequency of 47 strokes/ minute while the American swing is forty. The range of motion of the Russian swing is approximately 3.75 feet while that of the American swing is 6.5 feet.

So think Which one is good?
 

velocity

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As per Research done on the American kettlebell swing concluded that it is 85 %more effective than the Russian swing. The Russian swing has a natural frequency of 47 strokes/ minute while the American swing is forty. The range of motion of the Russian swing is approximately 3.75 feet while that of the American swing is 6.5 feet.

So think Which one is good?

I don't think the ROM of the bell matters when the purpose of the swing is hip extension.

We like our clients shoulders to stay intact, so when going overhead, we snatch.

cheers
 

Johnny SWAT

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I have to agree with Velocity. If you're going high, then snatch. I see the 'American' swing as crossfit's way of putting their own 'our way is better' stamp on things.
 

Paul Britt RKC

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As per Research done on the American kettlebell swing concluded that it is 85 %more effective than the Russian swing. The Russian swing has a natural frequency of 47 strokes/ minute while the American swing is forty. The range of motion of the Russian swing is approximately 3.75 feet while that of the American swing is 6.5 feet.

So think Which one is good?


Andrew has a great article on the whys and wherefores.

When looking at research. What are criteria are you using to you judging it being more effective?

It is one thing to make a statement, but the studies have to have valid point that we look at.
 

ComradeCat

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This decision to go with the eye-level or overhead swing appears to be very academic and cerebral in nature.

Sure we can debate all we want about the swing styles - American vs Russian, hard style vs fluid. However, in practice, would the American swing have that much more impact and ROI as compared to the Russian swing, given the increased risks of the overhead position?

Unless you are maxing out 64kg overhead snatches, why can't you use the Russian swing with a heavier bell? More reps in each set? Or more sets with the same reps? Faster sets?

It seems to me that you're trying to squeeze every minute for its worth. Sure I understand the need to maximize the impact of every hour spent on the workout, however; it appears that you're going into the bodybuilder's mentality of comparing whether you'll get more protein from a free-range egg, or a regular egg or an Omega-3 enhanced egg.

Swing heavier, swing more, swing faster, and enjoy your workout. You'll see an impact to your workout efforts. The marginal cost of the American swing (the bell smashing down on your head) seems higher than its marginal benefits (that much little bit more more micro-trauma on your muscles)
 

Chris Hansen

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The swing is a hip extension exerise. Raising the arms more doesn't increase the range-of-motion of your hip extension.

Is there a link to this research? I get the impression they're defining "effectiveness" as how far the weight moves but I don't think that's a valid indicator.
 
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ComradeCat

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I get the impression they're defining "effectiveness" as how far the weight moves but I don't think that's a valid indicator.

Now this puzzles me, why would we wanna add an risk of head trauma from having the bell turn over and smashing down to increase the ROM? If the intent is to lift the bell higher without a technical move like the snatch... shouldn't the person be doing a clean and press?
 
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ashatage

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The American swing generated 25% beats per minute more on average than the Russian swing kettlebell exercises. This analysis is based on the displacement of the load vertically, rate of repetition of the motion and perceived effort as the main influences of the heart rate and the intensity of the workout.
 

Paul Britt RKC

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The American swing generated 25% beats per minute more on average than the Russian swing kettlebell exercises. This analysis is based on the displacement of the load vertically, rate of repetition of the motion and perceived effort as the main influences of the heart rate and the intensity of the workout.

The increase of 25% is rather high. However, it does turn the exercise into a bastardized snatch, so it is possible.

The question comes down to, what are the goals?, what are the pro's and con's to using that tool to reach them.

My thought would be to go ahead and snatch it instead. If you need to use two hands, Dragondoor will sell you two KB's.

Russian Swings and snatches both trump the American Swing for increased power/strength and less risk of a debilitating injury. You want to do what is sustainable over the life span of your body...
 

PA KETTLE

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Frequency of Russian swing is 47 strokes a minute? I swing shoulder high 20 times in 34 seconds with a 28 kg, then rest until the top of the minute (using a $4 clock with a second hand) for 10 minutes. That ratios out to about 35 swings per minute. Am I way too slow?
 

GuyVDL

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Frequency of Russian swing is 47 strokes a minute? I swing shoulder high 20 times in 34 seconds with a 28 kg, then rest until the top of the minute (using a $4 clock with a second hand) for 10 minutes. That ratios out to about 35 swings per minute. Am I way too slow?

Not slow. I'm exactly 20 reps in 33 seconds with 20kg. Or else we are both way slow.
 
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