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G29

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I'm built to squat. Short legs/arms & a loooong torso. To compensate I lift off 3in boards which increases my arm/leg deficit and reduces my torso surplus. The odd thing is I squatted for 20+yrs but my legs never grew like the they have since dropping the squat and adopting the DL. The entire posterior side of legs now after 20+yrs overshadows my quads by a ridiculous degree. I can't find anything anywhere to explain this? Squatting heavy weights for high reps for 2+ decades should have given my Platz-like legs....but it ever happened until I started DL'ing. The same thing w/ my glutes.

As much as Pavel rails against HIT and Arthur Jones I find it coincidentally odd how Jones squatting/deadlifting advice of 30+reps is basically the same thing as Pavel's "commando" w/out.
 

ad5ly

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As I got older I found out that I needed more recovery time. No longer do I lift 5 days a week. now its 2-3 days a week. GTG would be an exception. In between days is movement and mobility and perhaps some HIIT...Dennis
 

G29

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I cleaned up the thread but I want to emphasize what I said in my first post. PTTP is about as close to the perfect bodybuilding program as you'll find. My biggest problem is the implication that you must use world record level poundages which simply isn't true. I believe you can get all your going to get from strength training without using more than 400lbs with most rarely needing to use more than 365lbs & no human needing more than 500lbs EVER.
 

G29

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Arthur Jones once said re: strength training/bodybuilding "This is stuff is as old as dirt, and just as simple". Which is why I don't understand why he just about completely ignored the DEADLIFT. He made tens of millions ($$) selling machines that none of produced on a 1:1 ratio the possible results of simply bending over and in good form picking up a relatively heavy barbell. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is IF pttp had been published in 1971 I doubt Jones would have made anywhere near the cash he did to a gullible public who did not know DL'ing as "little" as 315lbs for 20 sets of 3-5 reps would have given them more results than using his Nautilus machines. Jones made weightlifting cool and easy to do primarily because they didn't have to hurt their soft girly hands developing leather-like callouses from a barbell's knurling.
 

G29

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Pavel does say in the PTTP video to lift no more than 4× per week IF your bodybuilding which as it pertains to me means three days rest between w/outs.
 

G29

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I really want to re-emphasize what it took me over 20yrs to learn. The use of super-heavy "world record" (exaggerated to make my point) poundages is totally unnecessary. I believe you can get all your going to get out of DL's w/out using more than 400lbs and NO ONE regardless of large/strong they actually OR think they are needs IMO to use more than 500lbs in the DL for a 1st of five reps. Sure there are many men who can for one shaking, capillary bursting rep, wrapped up like mummy using a 1in thick PL belt and a steel suit can DL 1,000lbs...but its totally unnecessary for building size and strength. Paul Anderson never grew any noticeably larger when he progressed from squatting 500lbs to 700lbs and beyond. Its just not required.
 

ad5ly

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If your goal is to compete you need to train to your maximum potential. Cycling weight is how you do it. I am not a competitor so I can train as I want to. As far as lifting super heavy weights, I believe that one should do so once in awhile. Upping a PR for a big lift is a boost to your confidence. I like having it register in my brain that "hey I actually lifted that weight for a new PR!". But I do realize that lifting maximal weight too often is like getting too close to a hot stove. You can get burned...Dennis
 

G29

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*Here's an interesting update*

I returned to using my conventional straight bar this past Monday. I had worked up to 400lbs w/ my now gone hexbar and thought I was playing it safe to drop to 220lbs w/ the conventional bar. I did the standard 100/90 x 5 on Monday w/ no problems and since it was so light I repeated the same w/out Tuesday. On Wednesday morning my hams were SOOO freakin sore I couldn't stand up straight or ride my bike w/out extreme pain, I'm not joking I had soreness like I haven't had in 2 decades. This IMO confirms the cumulative effect of volume. I never figured not using a straight bar for 5yrs would have this kinda impact. How the heck could moving the bar forward 4inches matter this much? It looks like I've been very wrong about the hexbar being so much better than the conventional bar.

On a sidenote I contacted the author of the article I linked about Serge Nubret's routine and he confirmed it definintely does produce muscle mass but not understandably not much strength. I see now the logic behind the volume theory and its sound IMO. I look forward to posting equally glowing results a few months down the road, once I'm able to lift again.
 
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ad5ly

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Why is thread getting so many "likes"? Not really complaining but What is this? I don't see a valid reason for 111 likes for THIS thread. I think someone(s) is just gaming this - why I don't know. Lets be real here okay!...Dennis
 

G29

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I went back & gutted my thread as I think I made it too complicated to easily comprehend. The bottom line is there's only ONE way to the top and thats DEADLIFTING & the best way to train the DL is low rep sets much like the prototypical PTTP routine. I hope me relating my experiences helps someone like as I would have given literally anything to understand this concept 30yrs ago. Good lifting to everyone!
 
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G29

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Too many people gloss over PTTP w/out r-e-a-l-l-y applying each & every point it makes (I'm sure I haven't) and it ends up sitting on their PC's desktop or gathering dust on their book shelf that its really a shame. I realize for Pavel strength is a business but there is NO way throwing a kettlebell or barbell into the air and actually thinking you "lifted" the weight that its laughable. The same w/ bodyweight exercises that are impossible to accurately measure performance w/out to w/out. Again all you need to do is DEADLIFT as Pavel instructs, cycle your poundages, rotate your chosen DL forms, take lengthy layoffs between cycles and you'll have done all you can realistically do to become as large & strong as your particular genes allow. Screw the squat and the bench press which are probably 90+% responsible for all lifting related injuries.
 
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Chris Hansen

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I've long wished I could deadlift heavy with no issues but, alas, my medical history doesn't seem to allow it.. How life might have been different were that not the case (and I don't say that in jest).
 

G29

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I FINALLy saw a .rar ripped copy of PTTP the video (if anyone owns a copy your lucky) & in it Pavel clearly instructs "when working for mass 2-4 w/outs per wk". I don't know why he neglected to put this in this book? But this brings up a good point. I still haven't figured out why everything in life on this planet is scheduled on a weekly basis. Nothing magical happens on Sunday that erases everything you did Mon - Sat and your a new person on Monday. The only clock your body operates on is 24hr one, from night's rest to night's rest. Thats it. All you need to count between w/out is hours. I think 72hrs is probably plenty of rest for most people when bodybuilding.
 

G29

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I just realized to that t I believed for over 35yrs, yes THIRTY FREAKIN' FIVE years that Arthur Jones' HIT and training to muscular failure and ending up on the floor writhing in pain unable to breath was the flip of the switch that was going to turn me in to a 'monsta'....It didnt'. What finally made my body start growing like a weed was PTTP and Pavel's admonition of the superiority of the DEADLIFT. Looking back I'll never figure out how in the heck the supposed magic '20 rep breathing squat' got it's prominence in the history of bodybuilding??? Not until I started DL'ing did my legs explode in growth, as did my traps, lats, abs, hams, glutes, & even arms. This may seem like a minor footnote to most but to me and my struggle with making size gains since I was 15yrs old this is like the world before & after Nikola Tesla and AC current.

I remember reading and hearing stories of idiots going to down to Lake Helen and actually believing IF they trained so hard they ending up vomiting into a bucket they were going to double in muscular size in the next 24hrs ("slightly" exaggerated to make my point). This totally in my mind validates Pavel's assertion that its tension NOT fatigue that builds muscle. Intentionally racing to get to failure w/out thoroughly exhausting the muscle's reserves is like rushing out of a nice restaurant w/out having eaten food you paid for.
 
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Chris Hansen

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I still haven't figured out why everything in life on this planet is scheduled on a weekly basis.

I blame the 5 day work week. And how else would you schedule a regularly occurring event?

On Wednesdays, the only work night it works for me, I like to go to the next town for some stair climbing so I don’t schedule leg workouts on Tuesday or Thursday.

I also enjoy day trips and long walks and socializing on weekends so I don’t schedule strength workouts on those days because I know my energy reserves are limited and it might not fit in that day’s schedule.
 

G29

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My most current conundrum is why or how the genius Arthur Jones never gave any prominence to the DEADLIFT? Although it was never discussed that I can find I strongly believe it was the DEADLIFT that put the most muscle on Casey Viator. He reportedly DL'ed 400×30 which is incredible. Not Jones' high tech machines that made him a millionaire. Imagine if it ever got out you could build more muscle & strength using a $150 barbell instead of thousands of dollars worth of machines? I think Casey did. Moreover the deadlift is not ever trained to failure by anyone unless they want a freakin hernia!
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