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G29

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Because I don't own any 35lb plates I had to make a 15lb jump from my Thurs w/out to Friday's. Wow! Once again Pavel has been proven right by reality. I have such fatigue today I could be bike 3.5miles of my normal easy 7.5 and probably won't lift again until next Friday. I definitely won't make this mistake again.
 

G29

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It's very interesting how real life events bear out the soundness of some things principles. For example; PTTP asserts how much more dangerous HIT is and a few of HIT's biggest disciples all had career ending injuries. Mike Mentzer had destroyed joints throughout his body & Yates has an elbow that prevents him from doing any pressing, yet Serge Nubret lifted well into his 70's.

I really do believe someone can get all their going to get out of the deadlift without using more than 400lbs and most don't need to use more than 315lbs for many sets of five.
 

G29

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It took me less than 5 min to verify serious training related injuries in each of the high profile HIT bb'ers:

Arthur Jones
Mike Mentzer
Ray Mentzer
Mark Dugdale
Dorian Yates

Its odd how these ^ events independently echoed exactly what PTTP alleged:

"Joseph Horrigan who has treated many sports injuries in the Los Angeles area observed that bodybuilders—who generally train to failure—suffer from a lot more
pec tears than powerlifters, although the latter bench a lot heavier."

I can honestly say w/out a doubt in my somewhat sound mind that I've progressed faster w/ PTTP and avoiding failure like the plague than I ever have w/ any other system. It sure is coincidentally interesting how the absolute accuracy of PTTP is in direct proportion the absolute inaccurate decision Pavel made to jump ship and leave Dragon Door Inc.. As much of a kissup statement as ^ that sounds like I truly do mean it. I've said it before and I'll say it many, many times in the future. PTTP is THE single greatest bodybuilding book ever written.
 
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G29

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Despite many, many attempts (yrs+) I cannot for the life of me understand why Pavel advocates the one arm side-press as the numero uno of pressing. I hate it. I just do a simple relatively strict standard overhead press as warmup to main show the DEADLIFT.
 

GeoffreyLevens

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Despite many, many attempts (yrs+) I cannot for the life of me understand why Pavel advocates the one arm side-press as the numero uno of pressing.
My understanding (could be wrong) was that when he wrote the book he wanted to 1) keep it to barbell and 2 ) nothing else i.e. no squat rack etc so needed to able to start from the floor

Personally, I like clean, then multiple strict presses, though that does overlap muscles a fair bit on the deadllift
 
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Chris Hansen

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Despite many, many attempts (yrs+) I cannot for the life of me understand why Pavel advocates the one arm side-press as the numero uno of pressing. I hate it. I just do a simple relatively strict standard overhead press as warmup to main show the DEADLIFT.

My understanding - It was meant as a minimalist program that every one could do which means no bench or rack required and not having to be skilled in the power clean as a way to bring the bar to the shoulders for the more technical overhead press.
 

G29

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Your probably right. I just bought a dip rack ($45) but I might return it as at best as PTTP says any form of the press is just a cherry on the DL sundae and < thats actually a really accurate analogy. I've gotten waaaaaay more overall upper body growth from just DL'ing that I ever have doing any direct upper body exercises (dips, chins,bench presses, rows, etc.).
 
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Chris Hansen

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Pavel wrote a Best Press article a while ago where he said the dip might have been a winner if more shoulders could take it. He went with bench press because it works a lot of muscles, is a proven strength builder, and can be progressed with relatively low volume.

From what I've seen, doing pttp with bench press is a popular option.
 

G29

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As PTTP says the majority of all possible gains come from the DEADLIFT. Anything else is distant secondary exercise.
 

G29

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Pavel wrote a Best Press article a while ago where he said the dip might have been a winner if more shoulders could take it. He went with bench press because it works a lot of muscles, is a proven strength builder, and can be progressed with relatively low volume.

From what I've seen, doing pttp with bench press is a popular option.

Its odd IMO how the lower body joints can withstand 300+lbs but the shoulder joints can't handle high rep bodyweight dips?
 

G29

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Look at the relative size of the bones involved. Also the joint structure and force vectors during the lifts.

That's why quantified my analysis with BODYWEIGHT vs using 300lbs. The lower body joints would be supporting BW + 300lbs whereas the shoulder joint would only be supporting BW.
 

GeoffreyLevens

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I could be wrong but it looks to me as though in say a squat, the force through the joints would be, nearly all the time, at least partially perpendicular to the joint face. While in the dip, the forces are always parallel to the shoulder joint face i.e. shearing
 

ad5ly

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the hip socket is very different from the shoulder socket. Its stronger and the bones are thicker/stronger. Also the the top of the femur (ball) fits snugly into the hip joint. The shoulder socket there is no firm connection within the socket. Which is why we are told to pack the shoulder when lifting. The hips can absorb much more trama than the shoulders for sure...Dennis
 
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