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The High INformation Diet On a Low Carb Lifestyle

mhanch

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Great Thread an post pat. I started a Paleo diet this year and it works wonders.

People have a very hard time breaking with the "low-fat for health" paradigm. You wrote this up well.
 

miller

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Pat - I see that you include cheese and milk in your style, while the Slow Carb style recommends eliminating both. Do you see any advantage in elimating these?

I've been an avid ESE follower for 2 years now, with great success, but am thinking of giving this low carb stuff a try for a few weeks just to try something new and see what it's all about and how it compares.
 

Pat Flynn RKC

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Pat - I see that you include cheese and milk in your style, while the Slow Carb style recommends eliminating both. Do you see any advantage in elimating these?

I've been an avid ESE follower for 2 years now, with great success, but am thinking of giving this low carb stuff a try for a few weeks just to try something new and see what it's all about and how it compares.

Hey Miller,

I only drink whole raw milk. I would not recomment anything else. Cheese is perfectly fine, but I again opt for cheese made from whole raw milk.

I am a month into ESE and here is what I've concluded so far in comparison to a low carb diet. ESE will make you lose weight, especially if you eat clean on your non-fasting days. I've lost a little over 7lbs, but these 7lbs are certainly not all body fat. Now I went into ESE with a very low body fat percentage so there is something to be said about that. But with the high fat ketogenic diet, I was able to shed body fat while maintaining/adding muscle mass and making consistent strength gains.

Now if your goals are to simply put on as much mass as possible then the high fat ketogenic diet is not going to be the best option for that(insulin is an incredibly anabolic hormone and you primarily need carbs to stimulate the release of insulin). That's not to say that you can't tack on muscle with the high fat ketogenic diet, because you certainly can( I added 15lbs of lean muscle over this past summer, and all I was really eating after a workout was about 4-6 organic raw eggs -You can watch me eat raw eggs here ).

I think Tim Ferris is a very smart guy, but I really don't feel like he is introducing anything new with his "slow carb diet". And in terms of maximizing fat loss results I would certainly say that ketogenic > "slow carb" . If nothing else, a high fat ketogenic diet won't have you constantly wasting money on Beano and Gas-x :p
 

kodo kb

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Great post Pat, thanks for sharing. I'm just starting out the Paleo diet, and this information has made it that much easier. I have a question if you don't mind answering it--After your body is in ketosis for a long time, how much would eating carbs mess with your ability to re-enter ketosis? Would I start from day one, and have to go through a couple low-energy days, or does the fact that I was previously in ketosis for a long stretch of time increase my ability to re-enter that state? I'm just wondering how one small cheat meal, or a social meal where I'd have/want to eat something with carbohydrates (pizza party or what-have-you), would effect the ketosis state of my body.

Cheers,
Josh
 

Pat Flynn RKC

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Hey Josh,

One thing that you will learn over time once you are ketogenic is what you can get away with and what you can't. Everyone is different so it's difficult for me to give you an exact answer. Dr. Ellis had some good information on this, I'll see if I can dig the link up and share it; but what he said is that for him, he has figured out that after being in a state of prolonged ketosis he can get away with having an occasional "cheat meal" like a having a couple bites of an ice cream cone I believe he put it. For me however, I never have a cheat meal so I haven't experimented too much as to what I can and can not get away with. I honestly never crave to have a cheat meal, which I think is one of the beautiful things about the ketogenic diet; is that it helps to eliminate that craving for carbs and sweets.
 

ransdawg

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What do you think about adding bee pollen would it be ok to add to a ketogenic diet. I have allegies in the spring and it has helped me out a bunch before. Thanks for any replies.

Aaron
 

Kettlbell-er

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Pat, how sustainable would you say this diet is in the long term?

Having seen great results so far, and the whole science and idea behind the diet really clicks with me. I carb load on Friday after my last workout of the week, and through to Saturday afternoon-ish.

Do you keep this diet year round?
 

Pat Flynn RKC

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Pat, how sustainable would you say this diet is in the long term?

Having seen great results so far, and the whole science and idea behind the diet really clicks with me. I carb load on Friday after my last workout of the week, and through to Saturday afternoon-ish.

Do you keep this diet year round?

I do keep this diet year round, and would say this is certainly sustainable in the long term (precisely why I called it a lifestyle and not a diet). Contrary to pupular belief, there are many, many studies out there on ketogenic dieting and the numerous benefits to be had from it
 

Kvalhion

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I'm also having a lot of success keeping carbyhydrates low by following the Paleo/Primal lifestyle. Most days I eat a lot of vegetables (salads, steamed vegetables, raw vegetables, etc) and rarely eat fruit. I do not count calories or try to avoid fat in meat. Most of the time I do not eat dairy unless I put some cheese in a salad. I use a lot of coconut oil for healthy fats.

I found that over the last 10 months or so that I'd skip meals when I wasn't hungry, even if I brought food with me to work to eat. Right now I am practicing intermittent fasting + Paleo/Primal with good results. I'll eat between 3pm and 9pm each day for most days of the week. Some of the time I am probably in ketosis but I do not test for it. I've lost 70 lbs so far and still going strong. Thanks for getting the information out there! :)
 

DavidSchaal

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I'm on the second week of Tim's Slow Carb diet and I am doing well with it. He did say that ketogenic was the only other way he saw blood vessels on his abs. I beleive he called the ketogenic diet 'extreme'

Thank you for the explanation of the difference between the two.
 

DavidSchaal

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I'm on the second week of Tim's Slow Carb diet and I am doing well with it. He did say that ketogenic was the only other way he saw blood vessels on his abs. I beleive he called the ketogenic diet 'extreme'

Thank you for the explanation of the difference between the two.
 

ransdawg

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I'm also having a lot of success keeping carbyhydrates low by following the Paleo/Primal lifestyle. Most days I eat a lot of vegetables (salads, steamed vegetables, raw vegetables, etc) and rarely eat fruit. I do not count calories or try to avoid fat in meat. Most of the time I do not eat dairy unless I put some cheese in a salad. I use a lot of coconut oil for healthy fats.

I found that over the last 10 months or so that I'd skip meals when I wasn't hungry, even if I brought food with me to work to eat. Right now I am practicing intermittent fasting + Paleo/Primal with good results. I'll eat between 3pm and 9pm each day for most days of the week. Some of the time I am probably in ketosis but I do not test for it. I've lost 70 lbs so far and still going strong. Thanks for getting the information out there! :)

Way to be with the coconut oil I think that stuff is great. I am no expert but I think the animal fat in meat is something that you want to consume if your meat is from a quality source it helps your body absorb all types of nutrients. Check out Eat Fat Lose Fat. The authors are big proponents of high saturated fat(coconut oil and animal fat) and low carb as well as raw dairy. 70 lbs is awesome bro keep it up!

Aaron
 

Chad Paulus

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Hi Pat--

I find this information here and on your blog very informative. I am definitely interested in trying this to help drop my body fat percentage.

Would you be kind enough to post a one day sample of some of the meals you eat?

Also, are you able to sustain energy levels throughout long cardio workouts with this diet? I am an avid runner/cyclist and during long runs/rides usually carbs are the first thing eaten like a gu packet, clif shot blocks, or a banana.

Should i try something like cashews or almonds or attempt to make my own type of gu with almond butter and protein powder?

thanks,

Chad
 
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