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Spikeman1444

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Have any of you body weight guys, dropped the kettlebells / weights and went to body weight exclusively? If so why? I have another question regarding the conditioning in CC, what have you guys done for your cardio while on it?
 

jetronin

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At present using swings for conditioning, but I did drop all weights for about a year or so.
I used tabata burpees 2-4 times a week. The version with an explosive pushup and and explosive jumping squat. Anytime I felt a bit worn out or needed a change I broke out the speed rope and went for rounds. Usually about 10 minutes.
All in all, it worked out fairly well.When I went back to the bells I wasn't getting as "smoked" as I thought I would, although, there seemed very little strength transfer from bodyweight to kettlebells, which i found odd.
Horses for courses though.
If one needs to preserve kbell skills and strength (as I do) then a little kbell work after your bodyweight work seems to go a long way (as I'm currently finding out).
Oh, and tabata burpees (when done with the explosive pushup and squat)have the added bonus that they are very quick, don't require much space and seem to work quite well in place of clapping pushups or tuck jumps as they incorporate them in the movement.
 

JasonL.Ac.

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Isn't this essentially the same question you posted previously? http://kbforum.dragondoor.com/showthread.php?t=153355

Which, along with your cardio question, has been asked many times before...

I went the opposite route, I used to be a bodyweight-only person, then got into barbells and kettlebells, and realized I should have started them years ago. I continue to do a lot of bodyweight stuff (more lately), but see no reason to ever give up weights entirely. There are some good things about bodyweight training, but there's also a lot of silliness espoused by the purist crowd as well. Also not sure where the line gets drawn; everyone seems to be okay with pullup bars, but I was told the other day that I'm not doing "real" bodyweight training because I started using rings. Lol wut?

As far as your other question, first, conditioning for what? If just life in general, people vastly overestimate how much is actually needed just to live a healthy life. If you want conditioning (whatever that means to you) without using kettlebells, run and do burpees and bodyweight complexes. If one's particular church of bodyweight approves, you could also use a jump rope or a bike.
 

Spikeman1444

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It is a sort of repeat. That ring comment is absurd. I would like to eventually get my conditioning to the point that I could serve my country effortlessly if I enlist or the situation came up. Preferably up to SO level of conditioning. I'm currently on ETK RoP program, but I see the convenience and some benefits of body weight only. Thank you all for your responses.
 

Com. Stefan

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Hello Spikeman1444

Have any of you body weight guys, dropped the kettlebells / weights and went to body weight exclusively? If so why?

Why think in terms of either or? Weights and bodyweight is not opposite of each other, you can train both ways at the same time. Your reasoning is backwards. When you design a program, don't start by deciding if you're going to use kettlebells or bodyweight, start by figuring out what you want to achieve. An example:

Premiss: I want a badass back!

Two good exercises for your back would be:
Solution 1: Kettlebell one arm rows.
Solution 2: Pullups.

A badass back in my book is so wide you can't get through a door without turning sideways, the pullup will achieve that faster - therefore pick the pullup. Bodyweight is "better", in my opinion here, but not because it's bodyweight, because it's better for a wider back. If you're Tarzan and rep out some 20 pullups easily then hang your kettlebell around your waist. Now you just progressed from bodyweight to weights... To kettlebells even, in a sense. Finish up your back workout with some one arm rows, they're great for the back too... Shit, turns out a mixed approach was best for this scenario! ;)

My point is stop thinking about if you maybe should "do bodyweight", start with the goals and pick the right tool for the job - and the job is not the entire program, it's the parts of the program! If you don't, you're severely limiting your gains. You'll just end up compromising. Say you want great legs, the pistol is a fine exercise, and kettlebell front squats is as well up to a point, but you might want to hit some heavier barbell squats for that, or sissy squats, or even the leg press - and that's a machine, heresy, heresy! Drive in the nail with the hammer, screw the screws with a screwdriver and put in the lightbulb with your hands.

Now, you did mention convenience. Yes, I can think of one scenario - traveling. In fact, that's why I wanted to discuss Naked Warrior Bear in the first place, because I do travel a fair bit to other countries and I'm not going to bring weights with me. That's convenience. But if I'm home, why wouldn't I train at a gym? Or get some weights (like I do) and train with them at home?

I have another question regarding the conditioning in CC, what have you guys done for your cardio while on it?

I'm a fan of intense conditioning - hill sprints and swings is typically what I go for. Snatches and clean & jerks have been tossed in there on occasion as well.

Good luck.
 

Com. Stefan

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Definitely add squats on the variety days. Hanging leg raises is not necessary, especially not if you do pullups. One arm presses, pullups and squats all hit the abs pretty hard.

Good luck.
 

jfreaksho

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When I started CC, I didn't have any weights or gym access. My conditioning was based on Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint Fitness, which is a free e-book. His three basic rules for exercise are:
Lift Heavy Things
Move Frequently at a Slow Pace
Sprint Occasionally.

CC was my lifting, I walked a lot for the moving slowly, and did a sprint session about once a week. Overall, it worked great. Best fitness plan I'd had in a really really long time, probably ever. I've added weights as I got access to a gym, but I haven't gone in over a month. I do CC workouts on my breaks at work, and I'm still making progress.
 

Rich in Nor Cal

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Bodyweight has some big advantages over other exercise modes. Wherever you go, there you are! Meaning, you can do bodyweight exercises anyplace, anytime. Another advantage is that our body evolved strength to resist gravity, so moving the body against gravity is in harmony with our nature. And gaining skill at controlling one's body in space, on the ground or a bar, has a huge carryover to the real world where we might be called upon to climb a fence, crawl under a house, push ourselves up off the ground, etc. Further, as we all know, by manipulating leverage we can get very strong only using bodyweight, saving money on gyms, weight equipment, etc., if we so desire. And I am sure there are yet other reasons that could be cited.

However, I see no reason to limit oneself to bodyweight other than individual preference. Personally, I don't like exercise machines, but outside of that I think any mode--bodyweight, Olympic lifts, power lifts, strongman lifts, clubs, kettlebells of course, sandbags, etc, etc, are all good tools and fun toys. Just three rules: be safe, have fun, and don't stop!
 

Spikeman1444

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Do you guys think it would be to much volume to do New Blood over top of the RoP on the two variety days? I'm on step one on all CC exercises. It's worth noting if I did this I wouldn't super-set my pull-ups with C&P's. Many thanks.
 
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JasonL.Ac.

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Yes I think it would be a bad idea to do all 6. I also think it would be a bad idea to not super-set the pullups if you're able to do so. If you want to combine, imho the best way is to drop the pushups, handstand pushups, and pullup progressions from CC. Do the pistol, bridging, and leg raise series on variety days, and keep it really easy. Do that for a while and see where that all gets you.
 

Lt_Dan

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Have any of you body weight guys, dropped the kettlebells / weights and went to body weight exclusively? If so why? I have another question regarding the conditioning in CC, what have you guys done for your cardio while on it?

The reason is this: BW is directly in line with my goals. I use a kettlebell and a sledgehammer for some conditioning, but that's it. Weight-lifting is great, but it's just not my thing. I never liked hitting the iron, but got a real kick out of doing pull-ups and moving my body around. BW conditioning just explosive variants, running/sprints & KB-ing/Sledgehammer.
 

ad5ly

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In my case I like lifting iron too much to give it up for BW. I will use BW from time to time along with a kb or barbell program, but lifting heavy things is my interest. I even enjoy BW training with the other stuff I do. BUT, if I were more of a strength scientist ..hehe!.. and more naturally curious than I currently am, I would then consider or even try a BW only program if only to see how far I can really go with the minimilist approach ( over a 6 month to 1 year experiment) with the "bare minimum" and come to a realistic comparison of the iron methods vs BW only. I suspect that as far as REAL/relative strength goes (how you handle your body weight and its weight to strength ratio) BW is the best way to go. If I took up rock climbing then its BW all the way. Maybe even better than kettlebells - but I am no expert just guessing. Look at Al Kavadlo - he has to be one strong hombre to do the things in his BW trng videos. I think sled pulling or jumping rope would be great cardio..Dennis
 
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